Why no full position reports in G and E ?
Last time I was entering E at Avalon I still called the Tower and stated my intentions and received a courteous reply. In theory I guess I could just silently blundered through.
Perhaps a mid air with a silent RMIT student* coming the other way and tracking over the aerodrome reference point might have entertained the jetstar passengers waiting to board.
* Oriental RMIT students communication skills leave a lot to be desired in my opinion.
Perhaps a mid air with a silent RMIT student* coming the other way and tracking over the aerodrome reference point might have entertained the jetstar passengers waiting to board.
* Oriental RMIT students communication skills leave a lot to be desired in my opinion.
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Sunfish. It was an astute call by you. You converted class E into some type of class D where the ATC had a responsibility to give you a traffic information service and be partially responsible for a potential mid air collision .
And it cost you nothing. As I said , very astute.
And it cost you nothing. As I said , very astute.
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And it cost you nothing. As I said , very astute.
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Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs
Rediculous!
Dick, you seem to be forgetting one thing about all this. It's called 'duty of care'. Your sudden concern for ATC is heartwarming, but your argument is fatally flawed in the fact that you believe that 'nothing' is inherently safer than 'something'.
And don't worry yourself about the legalities. The phrase 'no REPORTED IFR traffic' (as opposed to 'no traffic') is there for a reason, as is 'observed VFR traffic', 'unverified', 'intentions unknown' etc etc.
Just as in the huge Bankstown payout ,apportioning blame to the ATCs
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No I can't but it happened. That's why Civil Air required that VFR helicopters be separated as if IFR.
The cost and waste was staggering.
And Hempy. Not a sudden concern for ATCs. You seem to have forgotten that I was the only one who got on the TV news and supported the B K controllers when they were being unfairly blamed for the runway 29 approach mid air fatality.
The cost and waste was staggering.
And Hempy. Not a sudden concern for ATCs. You seem to have forgotten that I was the only one who got on the TV news and supported the B K controllers when they were being unfairly blamed for the runway 29 approach mid air fatality.
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You seem to have forgotten that I was the only one who got on the TV news and supported the B K controllers when they were being unfairly blamed for the runway 29 approach mid air fatality.
Originally Posted by Dick Smith
Each plane must go to one of those points to call in. Now, when I've travelled around the world getting advice on air space it's been pointed out to me that no other country does that, because if you bring the planes to a point and it's outside controlled air space, they're very likely to collide there and of course that's what's happened.
