Why no full position reports in G and E ?
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Hempy, what is YAYE in need of? Is the traffic there like the Isa and places like Emerald or Roma?
Since the gas construction boom has rolled off, Roma might be a bit more peaceful, but it resembled Atlanta GA <yes exaggerated> a few years back. Mind you there was a better chance of getting a ramp spot in Atlanta.
Since the gas construction boom has rolled off, Roma might be a bit more peaceful, but it resembled Atlanta GA <yes exaggerated> a few years back. Mind you there was a better chance of getting a ramp spot in Atlanta.
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Jaba, my point being that YAYE probably attracts the most eclectic mix of aircraft than any aerodrome in Australia. Jets, helicopters, lighties. All done in G with no tower, no C, D or E. Extremely busy at times, and not a single mid-air. Who would've thunk it?
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TopDrop. My apologies. I should have said no other country has C over D as it's clearly " upside down" airspace .
At least in Ireland they have the C around the runway where the risk is highest..
The frequency boundaries on our charts are clearly primarily for ATC workload purposes. They very often don't reflect the range of the VHF transmitter.- look at the huge area south of Charleville that clearly has no VHF coverage to the ground at normal VFR cruise levels.
At least in Ireland they have the C around the runway where the risk is highest..
The frequency boundaries on our charts are clearly primarily for ATC workload purposes. They very often don't reflect the range of the VHF transmitter.- look at the huge area south of Charleville that clearly has no VHF coverage to the ground at normal VFR cruise levels.
Last edited by Dick Smith; 14th Apr 2016 at 23:12.
The frequency boundaries on our charts are clearly primarily for ATC workload purposes. They very often don't reflect the range of the VHF transmitter.-
http://www.pprune.org/pacific-genera...ml#post9342379
The FIA frequencies (as monitored by FS) and boundaries back in the day were also marked on the Visual charts, but I bet no one ever assumed they provided VHF contact to the ground everywhere with FS, or represented the range of the transmitter. That's why aircraft were fitted with HF. It's a big country, with not much in it.
PCA still has the 5,000' and 10,000' VHF range tints.
I think in the old days it was also on FISCOM?
I think in the old days it was also on FISCOM?
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Captain. It's clearly not true.
Look at the Charleville frequency . The ground station two thirds the way up the marked sector and it's longer than it is wider.
Clearly primarily designed for some reason other than VHF range of the transmitter.
Never believe those who post anonymously. They have nothing to lose by making up tall stories.
Look at the Charleville frequency . The ground station two thirds the way up the marked sector and it's longer than it is wider.
Clearly primarily designed for some reason other than VHF range of the transmitter.
Never believe those who post anonymously. They have nothing to lose by making up tall stories.
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Fly from Oodnadatta to Birdsville and for four fifths of the journey you are on the Oodnadatta frequency. This is clearly not designed for radio coverage purposes.
Never believe those who post anonymously. They have nothing to lose by making up tall stories.
Too many sensationalist threads, too much dribble. I won't be responding to anything more from you, not that it's of particular consequence to be taking a stand like that I suppose, but your style is the opposite of what I respect when it comes to decent robust worthwhile argument that actually gets somewhere. Good luck with your Don Quixote-like quest.
Never believe those who post anonymously. They have nothing to lose by making up tall stories.
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Never believe those who post anonymously. They have nothing to lose by making up tall stories.
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So why spend such an inordinate amount of time posting, and asking questions, on a forum where everybody else posts anonymously?
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Arm. Why don't you give me a ring sometime?
I am sure your aviation interests are genuine.
So why not discuss these important issues so we can end up with a good result?
This anonymous stuff about Airspace is very childish. It's not a national security issue so I don't understand why you wouldn't openly link your real name to your strongly held beliefs
It's not; prune to me is similar that " What Women Want " feature film. But in this case it's not mind reading- many posters, possibly most , are actually stating their own long held beliefs . Knowing these beliefs assists in finding the best solution in introducing change and implementing it.
I am sure your aviation interests are genuine.
So why not discuss these important issues so we can end up with a good result?
This anonymous stuff about Airspace is very childish. It's not a national security issue so I don't understand why you wouldn't openly link your real name to your strongly held beliefs
It's not; prune to me is similar that " What Women Want " feature film. But in this case it's not mind reading- many posters, possibly most , are actually stating their own long held beliefs . Knowing these beliefs assists in finding the best solution in introducing change and implementing it.
Captain. It's clearly not true.
Look at the Charleville frequency . The ground station two thirds the way up the marked sector and it's longer than it is wider.
Look at the Charleville frequency . The ground station two thirds the way up the marked sector and it's longer than it is wider.
Fly from Oodnadatta to Birdsville and for four fifths of the journey you are on the Oodnadatta frequency.
As Traffic_Is_Er_Was has said, that's why HF or flying at a reasonable altitude is required in those regions for two way contact with ATS on VHF. Within more populated areas such as the "J" curve, the situation is different.
Believe what you like, but VHF coverage is always the first consideration.
46. DESCENT FROM CONTROLLED AIRSPACE
46.1 Before descending from controlled into Class G airspace and before separation with any aircraft operating near the base of controlled airspace can be compromised, the pilot in command of an IFR flight must report position, level, intentions and estimate for next position/destination to the ATS unit providing services in Class G airspace. If the report is made using HF radio, a broadcast must be made on the appropriate area VHF frequency.
46.1 Before descending from controlled into Class G airspace and before separation with any aircraft operating near the base of controlled airspace can be compromised, the pilot in command of an IFR flight must report position, level, intentions and estimate for next position/destination to the ATS unit providing services in Class G airspace. If the report is made using HF radio, a broadcast must be made on the appropriate area VHF frequency.
the boundaries would be equidistant when each outlet was at the same height.
In others, while placing a boundary midway between the coverage of two VHF outlets may be a starting point (and may in fact be left as just that in some areas, particularly remote), the locations of ADs then are taken into account. It may then be the case to have a boundary capture an AD in a particular FIA so that aircraft on the main route(s) to that AD stay on the same FIA freq. rather than transfer to another for the last portion of the flight.
Traffic on particular air routes is also taken into account e.g. to capture a particular air route in one FIA and not have crossovers.
VHF coverage in the circuit area of ADs is taken into account where possible. Situations where comms are available in the circuit on a different (adjacent) FIA freq. but not on the one the AD lies in are avoided.
And if an ATC sector boundary is involved, it may be that an FIA boundary is aligned with that, to again avoid crossovers into another sector, or an ATC sector boundary may be moved to align with an FIA boundary, to take account of all the above.
Each situation is different with different factors, and boundaries placed accordingly.
The bottom line is that FIA boundaries are not placed solely due to ATC workload.
Here endeth the lesson ........ are you gonna pay for all this??
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Were you under the impression that Qantaslink were doing something wrong?
I believe the point is to broadcast so that those aircraft that aren't receiving a traffic service have a chance of figuring out where you are.
Furthermore you should be debating the post not the poster which means that the identities are irrelevant, what counts is the content. Do they have a valid point or not? If they do then who cares if it is Andrew Milligan of Gawler or Rebecca Johnson of Kununurra?
I can't find anything in the Phraseologies to suggest the 'Qantaslink Style' broadcast (which are one of few operators I've heard make the call) is mandatory.