Razor gangs hit Broome?
What a combo - Compylot and Make it Happen, love to see both in action. I agree with Peuce - in general the Screening staff try to do their job but regrettably there's no shortage of "I am me's" (crew and others, with Pollies some of the worst) comin through who have inflated opinions of themselves and Compylot would fill that category nicely I'd say. Equally some screening staff can be over officious. BTW Doc, as I understand it, the Broome staff don't shut down the screening point by lowering the access to screening door to take a lunch break and if they did it'd be a rarity - either bugger all pax or RPT's gone I'd say.
Compylot; Whatever you're trying to do; It isn't working!
For the rest of you... I am encouraged by the many antidotes presented here and am seriously considering compiling them all into a coffee table book so that we can all take note, laugh, get angry or... roll our eyes in frustration..
I would merge all of these security screening stories with that of unjust journalistic practices and call the book;
"Reasoning's of Prissy Princess Pilots Who Have Nothing Better to do than Squeal about Security Screening and News Articles that Describe Every Aircraft as a Cessna and Every Incident as an Emergency on an Anonymous Internet Forum"
All proceeds would be donated to help those affected by such malpractices and contribute to an education fund to help the afflicted to think twice before posting about unimportant, mindless and useless trash.
What do you think ForkTailedDrKiller? Care to kick it off?
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Goodness me.
Such maturity and intellect combined with overwhelmingly persuasive literacy leaves us, yet again, awestruck.
A little more work on punctuation, grammar and syntax still needed, though.
We'll see you again next year, will we?
Don't forget to write.
p.s. I haven't actually seen any 'antidotes presented here'. I must have missed out... Where can I get one?
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Such maturity and intellect combined with overwhelmingly persuasive literacy leaves us, yet again, awestruck.
A little more work on punctuation, grammar and syntax still needed, though.
We'll see you again next year, will we?
Don't forget to write.
p.s. I haven't actually seen any 'antidotes presented here'. I must have missed out... Where can I get one?
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I recently went through screening with the wife in Sydney.
As the wife was struggling with putting her shoe back on after screening required her to take them off
, she handed me her handbag whilst steadying on my shoulder with her hand. As I was passing the handbag back to her and I looked up simultaneously, I was selected for the "random" explosive particle check. He insisted that I bring up the bag that I was allegedly carrying through screening, even though it was clealy a women's handbag by brand and appearance and technically never left my wife's hands.
I suggested politely that if he want's to scan the handbag, he should at least scan it's actual owner... he didn't seem interested and said he was about to leave to go home and had to get some more checks done first
As the wife was struggling with putting her shoe back on after screening required her to take them off
, she handed me her handbag whilst steadying on my shoulder with her hand. As I was passing the handbag back to her and I looked up simultaneously, I was selected for the "random" explosive particle check. He insisted that I bring up the bag that I was allegedly carrying through screening, even though it was clealy a women's handbag by brand and appearance and technically never left my wife's hands. I suggested politely that if he want's to scan the handbag, he should at least scan it's actual owner... he didn't seem interested and said he was about to leave to go home and had to get some more checks done first
I recently went through screening with the wife in Sydney.
As the wife was struggling with putting her shoe back on after screening required her to take them off, she handed me her handbag whilst steadying on my shoulder with her hand. As I was passing the handbag back to her and I looked up simultaneously, I was selected for the "random" explosive particle check. He insisted that I bring up the bag that I was allegedly carrying through screening, even though it was clealy a women's handbag by brand and appearance and technically never left my wife's hands.
I suggested politely that if he want's to scan the handbag, he should at least scan it's actual owner... he didn't seem interested and said he was about to leave to go home and had to get some more checks done first
As the wife was struggling with putting her shoe back on after screening required her to take them off
, she handed me her handbag whilst steadying on my shoulder with her hand. As I was passing the handbag back to her and I looked up simultaneously, I was selected for the "random" explosive particle check. He insisted that I bring up the bag that I was allegedly carrying through screening, even though it was clealy a women's handbag by brand and appearance and technically never left my wife's hands. I suggested politely that if he want's to scan the handbag, he should at least scan it's actual owner... he didn't seem interested and said he was about to leave to go home and had to get some more checks done first
I imagine it must of been a frustrating experience for you and "the wife" but I am sure now you have shared with us you feel better? I am glad you suggested politely too, Anger is a negative emotion.
Remember Gentlemen, don't bottle these experiences up. Talking about it certainly helps.
Now... who would like to go next..?
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Now... who would like to go next..?
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Here's another story for you Compylot. I once purchased a set of bike lights for my pushy/racer and it specifically said on the box to not take through airport screening because it (the battery) will look like a bomb. I read this warning after having boarded the aircraft.
My ELT beacon usually raises a few eyebrows when it goes through. When my flying bag goes through with ELT, hand held radios, torches, headsets and GPS, I can guarantee I'll be randomly selected for some kind of thorough search.
My ELT beacon usually raises a few eyebrows when it goes through. When my flying bag goes through with ELT, hand held radios, torches, headsets and GPS, I can guarantee I'll be randomly selected for some kind of thorough search.
Good of you to take the heat Squawkie, whilst the rest of us sail through... with our hand held radioes, torches, headsets and gps's!
Keep up the good work!
Keep up the good work!
Here's another story for you Compylot. I once purchased a set of bike lights for my pushy/racer and it specifically said on the box to not take through airport screening because it (the battery) will look like a bomb. I read this warning after having boarded the aircraft.
But I'm squawking 7900 on your little bicycle light story.
In case you weren't familiar, 7900 is the universal code for Bullsh!t.
Care to share the brand and make of bicycle light that specifically went to the effort of printing on the box words warning you not to take it through "airport security", because it will look like a bomb..?
Please.
Keep em coming
Last edited by Compylot; 30th Nov 2015 at 07:30.
Puece (and you too, Compylot), you seem to misunderstand me. I worked in screening for several years and in other security areas for almost ten, so I understand the other side and am usually sympathetic to their cause, however the non-standardisation amongst staff was one of the issues that caused the problems, be it a previous screener who didn't know the rules, or the present screener going over the top.
I have never had a screener scatter my stuff through the tray and in my opinion it was purely because he thought I was trying to hide something. This was unnecessary and I was given a bullsiht excuse for it. His lack of care or even a "sorry about that" was my bugbear. And they wonder why people get pissed off with them?
We demonstrated how it was possible for a person to walk through the metal detector with a steak knife in the small of your back and it wouldn't be detected, however when asked if we could go further with a pax we suspected was doing this, we were told as long as they didn't set the detector off, we were not to do anything more.
The person sitting at the computer will ask if they can't see the tray clearly, but are you really agreeing that an x-ray can't see through a cap with the items listed?
Security is as much psycological as physical. You treat people like a person and it gets very hard to be angry with them. "Catch more flies with honey..."
Start throwing your weight around, especially in crowd control, and you make your job infinitely more difficult. Am I wrong? This is the difference between the TSA (now there's a reason to complain) and Australian screening, where you at least can have a civil/friendly interaction with the screener.
When I started doing security in general, the regs were that if you were searching someone's bag, you asked the person to remove the contents and this practise was carried into airport screening. I understand how the rules changed in the last few years so that screeners removed the bag from the pax's posession to find the item (so the pax didn't utilise a potential weapon), however are you telling me you would seriously stick your hand into a passenger's pants pockets, let alone without asking them? You have to be kidding me.
Let's suppose there was a blade of some sort in the bottom of the pouch. Are you really going to jam two fingers in there to find out?!? Not very smart. The guard asked what it was and I showed her. There was no asking, "do you mind if I check?" Pretty sure the rules haven't changed about notifying someone before you put your hands on them.
I have never had a screener scatter my stuff through the tray and in my opinion it was purely because he thought I was trying to hide something. This was unnecessary and I was given a bullsiht excuse for it. His lack of care or even a "sorry about that" was my bugbear. And they wonder why people get pissed off with them?
We demonstrated how it was possible for a person to walk through the metal detector with a steak knife in the small of your back and it wouldn't be detected, however when asked if we could go further with a pax we suspected was doing this, we were told as long as they didn't set the detector off, we were not to do anything more.
The person sitting at the computer will ask if they can't see the tray clearly, but are you really agreeing that an x-ray can't see through a cap with the items listed?
Security is as much psycological as physical. You treat people like a person and it gets very hard to be angry with them. "Catch more flies with honey..."
Start throwing your weight around, especially in crowd control, and you make your job infinitely more difficult. Am I wrong? This is the difference between the TSA (now there's a reason to complain) and Australian screening, where you at least can have a civil/friendly interaction with the screener.
I also have no problem with a Security Officer searching inside your letherman pouch. Better safe than sorry...and I bet it didn't hurt a bit and took about 10 seconds.
Let's suppose there was a blade of some sort in the bottom of the pouch. Are you really going to jam two fingers in there to find out?!? Not very smart. The guard asked what it was and I showed her. There was no asking, "do you mind if I check?" Pretty sure the rules haven't changed about notifying someone before you put your hands on them.
Last edited by MakeItHappenCaptain; 30th Nov 2015 at 10:54.
Complylot quite arrogantly said: Care to share the brand and make of bicycle light that specifically went to the effort of printing on the box words warning you not to take it through "airport security", because it will look like a bomb..?
I've done a lot of paxing on kero burners, at one point daily to Sydney for months so I've seen the odd medical emergency, security screening incident or otherwise, transported firearms on commercial and private flights and all sorts of things I won't write here
...and it specifically said on the box to not take through airport screening because it (the battery) will look like a bomb
I'm still squawking 7900...
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Compy you are the man. I recall thinking what a tosspot you were quite a ways back, but I am here to say I was wrong and I am sorry. Your posts are both amusing and keep some humanity amongst some very dull people.
I do however think that your chances of ever succeeding in what some consider the red and white pinnacle of worldwide aviation will be somewhat limited as their psychometric testing is specifically tailored to weed out the virtue of humility!
"If you think that this may apply to your situation, then tell yourself ( literally) how bloody good you are 100 times while you drive to work as a way of lifting your self esteem and see if it transfers through the ether to your troublesome f/o. If it doesn't, you have lost nothing"
This little tidbit was advice from one professional aviator dished out on this forum to another. I have taken to doing this as well on my way to work. I will now however not say it, I will sing it, to the beat of "Staying Alive".
Keep em coming dude!
I do however think that your chances of ever succeeding in what some consider the red and white pinnacle of worldwide aviation will be somewhat limited as their psychometric testing is specifically tailored to weed out the virtue of humility!
"If you think that this may apply to your situation, then tell yourself ( literally) how bloody good you are 100 times while you drive to work as a way of lifting your self esteem and see if it transfers through the ether to your troublesome f/o. If it doesn't, you have lost nothing"
This little tidbit was advice from one professional aviator dished out on this forum to another. I have taken to doing this as well on my way to work. I will now however not say it, I will sing it, to the beat of "Staying Alive".
Keep em coming dude!
Last edited by Gas Bags; 30th Nov 2015 at 08:42.
I'll take more care next time, it's not on the box, it's in the manual, my apologies. No I don't have it any more as the world has moved on from halogen bike lights, it's all LED's these days. However as you can clearly see in the picture it's an enclosed battery with wiring and small circuit board.
There you go Compylot and GB: Across the bottom of the instructions at certif's link:
Warning: Don't carry your battery as carry-on baggage on a plane trip ... it looks like a bomb on X-ray machine!
I'll make it easier, I found the same link. Now back to normal programming.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...(4-light-total)
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...(4-light-total)
Bazinga....
Well played, Certifs.
Well played, Certifs.
Last edited by MakeItHappenCaptain; 30th Nov 2015 at 23:12.