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Well it actually looks like they followed the clear air. We watched the last arrival run into Brisbane from the north, 738 - rock and roll on the Victor over Brekky Creek. Looked like fun from the ground, must have been fun on the back...
. They were clear of cloud.......
. They were clear of cloud.......
Originally Posted by Jaba
Get a life……
Mind my own business…..
Mind my own business…..
The C in PIC means command, he made a command decision to fly, and fly the route he did, arriving safely. Was he instrument rated? I don't know, and neither do you. Was he able to maintain VMC the whole way? I don't know and, again, neither do you. Remember the BOM radars only detect rainfall or virga, not cloud.
If I were to do something you wouldn't have done, does that make me brave? Of course not. It simply means I have evaluated the risks of taking that action and found them acceptable, whereas you haven't. But does the rest of the Australian pilot population now have to worry about this Monday-morning-quarterbacking on Prune every time someone does something you wouldn't have?
Just because something is legal does not make it safe, but by the same token, just because something looks unsafe does not mean it actually is, particularly when you aren't there...
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Did anyone notice that in the middle of the day there was ONE light aircraft flying in the entire greater Brisbane area? Maybe he was brave considering he was the only aircraft flying in that weather ! Jabba's brave comments are warranted.
OK, put the knives away! 
I don't think Jaba's intention was to "point the bone" at the PIC. Perhaps "brave" was not the best word to use - I prefer "interesting"!
I've been told that I am crazy for flying some serious IFR in a single - but its all about risk management.
I cut my teeth mixing it with SE Qld's CBs - all the way back to my 2nd PPL solo nav (in a C150!). If you haven't been there, let me tell you, "They can be very scary"! The biggest, meanest thunder bumpers I have seen - outside of Kansas.
Would be interesting to hear from the PIC what the actual senario was. It looks like an interesting flightpath from Sunshine Coast to Archerfield. Probably not one that I would have considered, but if the thinking was, "Lets go west and see if we can get around behind this thing and pick our way to AF. We can land at one of the many aerodromes out there and wait it out, if it looks too bad". Then OK - I can go along with that. Looking at the plot, they had lots of "outs" providing that they had plenty of fuel and didn't push their luck too far. A bit of money spent on fuel, but no big deal.
I assume they were VFR, or at least visual, cause there is no way I would tangle with that in IMC in a lighty, even with radar and a stormscope.
I have run into SE Qld's "Wall of CBs" on a number of occasions when flying from Nth Qld to Toowoomba or Brisbane. If I saw that picture on the iPad I would most likely be heading for the nearest available aerodrome with rental cars.
Anyone who has been flying for a while has most probably pushed their luck with CBs. I know I have: eg taken off just in front of an approaching storm or picked my way between BIG vertical buildups IFR in a 172. Got away with it and afterwards thought, "I probably shouldn't have done that"!
Many years ago I was in a new, probably the best equipped Bonanza in Oz, with a highly experienced PIC, trying to fly from Boulia to Cloncurry. We ran into a line of storms associated with a cold front going through. Numerous attempts to find a way through were thawted by lightening strikes ahead of us so we diverted to Mt Isa to wait it out. A visit to the Flight Service Unit (remember those?) to kill some time revealed that there were 5 x other aeroplanes out there and we were the only one to turn away! Were the other pilots just more brave than us?
Looking at that radar plot and finding out it was a lighty has you asking questions. There is a learning experience here, particularly for those just starting out.
All good in this case!
.....but what if the outcome had been otherwise? We would be having a totally different conversation!
As others have said, we weren't there. Don't know what the backup plan was. Didn't see the view from the cockpit.
Most likely a complete non-event.......but an interesting case study none-the-less!
Dr
I don't think Jaba's intention was to "point the bone" at the PIC. Perhaps "brave" was not the best word to use - I prefer "interesting"!
I've been told that I am crazy for flying some serious IFR in a single - but its all about risk management.
I cut my teeth mixing it with SE Qld's CBs - all the way back to my 2nd PPL solo nav (in a C150!). If you haven't been there, let me tell you, "They can be very scary"! The biggest, meanest thunder bumpers I have seen - outside of Kansas.
Would be interesting to hear from the PIC what the actual senario was. It looks like an interesting flightpath from Sunshine Coast to Archerfield. Probably not one that I would have considered, but if the thinking was, "Lets go west and see if we can get around behind this thing and pick our way to AF. We can land at one of the many aerodromes out there and wait it out, if it looks too bad". Then OK - I can go along with that. Looking at the plot, they had lots of "outs" providing that they had plenty of fuel and didn't push their luck too far. A bit of money spent on fuel, but no big deal.
I assume they were VFR, or at least visual, cause there is no way I would tangle with that in IMC in a lighty, even with radar and a stormscope.
I have run into SE Qld's "Wall of CBs" on a number of occasions when flying from Nth Qld to Toowoomba or Brisbane. If I saw that picture on the iPad I would most likely be heading for the nearest available aerodrome with rental cars.
Anyone who has been flying for a while has most probably pushed their luck with CBs. I know I have: eg taken off just in front of an approaching storm or picked my way between BIG vertical buildups IFR in a 172. Got away with it and afterwards thought, "I probably shouldn't have done that"!
Many years ago I was in a new, probably the best equipped Bonanza in Oz, with a highly experienced PIC, trying to fly from Boulia to Cloncurry. We ran into a line of storms associated with a cold front going through. Numerous attempts to find a way through were thawted by lightening strikes ahead of us so we diverted to Mt Isa to wait it out. A visit to the Flight Service Unit (remember those?) to kill some time revealed that there were 5 x other aeroplanes out there and we were the only one to turn away! Were the other pilots just more brave than us?
Looking at that radar plot and finding out it was a lighty has you asking questions. There is a learning experience here, particularly for those just starting out.
All good in this case!
.....but what if the outcome had been otherwise? We would be having a totally different conversation!As others have said, we weren't there. Don't know what the backup plan was. Didn't see the view from the cockpit.
Most likely a complete non-event.......but an interesting case study none-the-less!
Dr
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Jaba's posted pic of the FlightAware track indicates that it was an IFR flight. (Might be wrong but I think only IFR flights makes it onto FA).
Therefore this thread is basically about an IFR flight diverting around TS.
There was a lot of that going on at the time. Good job, well done.
Therefore this thread is basically about an IFR flight diverting around TS.
There was a lot of that going on at the time. Good job, well done.
Jaba's posted pic of the FlightAware track indicates that it was an IFR flight.
Looks like Jabba is in the market for a Smith and Wesson 1911 A1 with some extra Chip McCormick 10 round 9mm magazines.
Assuming it was a training flight, I can't see much benefit going out with stacks of gas and just flying around the build ups
Wouldn't it of been a much better learning process to assume it was a charter with payload restrictions limiting fuel and going out with the fuel required only
That would of presented a far more challenging situation forcing real decisions
The flying school would still get some revenue and the student would of definitely learnt something
Wouldn't it of been a much better learning process to assume it was a charter with payload restrictions limiting fuel and going out with the fuel required only
That would of presented a far more challenging situation forcing real decisions
The flying school would still get some revenue and the student would of definitely learnt something
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Anything that's radar identified will display a track on FA, so VFR in C will show up for example. In this case the aircraft was well and truly in G airspace for much of the flight so it was almost certainly IFR.
In this case the aircraft was well and truly in G airspace for much of the flight so it was almost certainly IFR.
Assuming it was a training flight, I can't see much benefit going out with stacks of gas and just flying around the build ups
Wouldn't it of been a much better learning process to assume it was a charter with payload restrictions limiting fuel and going out with the fuel required only
That would of presented a far more challenging situation forcing real decisions
The flying school would still get some revenue and the student would of definitely learnt something
Wouldn't it of been a much better learning process to assume it was a charter with payload restrictions limiting fuel and going out with the fuel required only
That would of presented a far more challenging situation forcing real decisions
The flying school would still get some revenue and the student would of definitely learnt something
Joe Lighty
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Joe, agreed
Maybe they started the exercise with full tanks under the proviso that only so much was available, once they had achieved their objective they came home the long way
In any case it wasn't the best day for flying
Maybe they started the exercise with full tanks under the proviso that only so much was available, once they had achieved their objective they came home the long way
In any case it wasn't the best day for flying
