Incident that could have dwarfed lockhart river
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If you can hit a man size target at 600 meters with a 7.62 caliber SLR you would be a qualified rifleman in the Australian Infantry.
A similar caliber civilian weapon would be a .308 caliber.
A rested shot with a scope on such a weapon would be within the ability of most amateurs.
A scope on a SLR would be problematic with the standard weapon as it breaks like a shotgun and bearing wear at the hinge would make for inconsistent shots. Most sighted Military rifles are unbroken.
If you can't consistently hit a man size target at 600 meters with the SLR don't ask for a transfer to Artillery as I doubt you would have the mechanical dexterity to pull the "tit" let alone the mindset to work out the gunnery problem.
If you're a civilian, stick to flying.
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A similar caliber civilian weapon would be a .308 caliber.
A rested shot with a scope on such a weapon would be within the ability of most amateurs.
A scope on a SLR would be problematic with the standard weapon as it breaks like a shotgun and bearing wear at the hinge would make for inconsistent shots. Most sighted Military rifles are unbroken.
If you can't consistently hit a man size target at 600 meters with the SLR don't ask for a transfer to Artillery as I doubt you would have the mechanical dexterity to pull the "tit" let alone the mindset to work out the gunnery problem.
If you're a civilian, stick to flying.
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Off topic, but speaking as a former range conducting Officer there is no way in hell anyone is going to hit a "man-sized target" at 600m with a 7.62 open sighted SLR. I have the scar under the right eye and*plenty of experience to prove it.
What you can do is get a round within about a four foot bulls eye at that range, but that is all. At 1000 yds the bull is six feet in diameter with a .303. SMLE and that is an easy score.
I could get an M60 out to about 1800 yds on a bipod in still air, but I'm boasting.
These days I satisfy myself by knocking the clothes pegs off the target frame at about 200m with a .308 or .223. I'm old and not as good as I once was.
What you can do is get a round within about a four foot bulls eye at that range, but that is all. At 1000 yds the bull is six feet in diameter with a .303. SMLE and that is an easy score.
I could get an M60 out to about 1800 yds on a bipod in still air, but I'm boasting.
These days I satisfy myself by knocking the clothes pegs off the target frame at about 200m with a .308 or .223. I'm old and not as good as I once was.
I could get an M60 out to about 1800 yds on a bipod in still air, but I'm boasting.
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Transport? Those dudes?
I'll bet they didn't cease fire when the poor bugger eventually dropped dead from exhaustion, either.
1800 yards with an M60?
Did you hit anything - or just make holes in the air and scenery?
p.s. In my younger days, I was awarded the coveted 'crossed rifles' - to be worn on the forearm.
Well, y'see, this dopey person next to me on the mound had trouble working out which target was his.
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I'll bet they didn't cease fire when the poor bugger eventually dropped dead from exhaustion, either.
1800 yards with an M60?
Did you hit anything - or just make holes in the air and scenery?
p.s. In my younger days, I was awarded the coveted 'crossed rifles' - to be worn on the forearm.
Well, y'see, this dopey person next to me on the mound had trouble working out which target was his.
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Even more fun when a bunch of us on a tactical exercise crossed paths with a tank gunnery instructors course and our Commanders knew each other.
There I was, sitting on the turret of a Centurion going "left, left, up, up" oblivious to the MG firing between my dangling legs.
I had very fancy new spring diaphragm ear plugs, but they, and my hearing, didn't survive a Cent firing APDS from Ten feet away too well.
The things we did when we were young and stupid.
There I was, sitting on the turret of a Centurion going "left, left, up, up" oblivious to the MG firing between my dangling legs.
I had very fancy new spring diaphragm ear plugs, but they, and my hearing, didn't survive a Cent firing APDS from Ten feet away too well.
The things we did when we were young and stupid.
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What you can do is get a round within about a four foot bulls eye at that range, but that is all. At 1000 yds the bull is six feet in diameter with a .303. SMLE and that is an easy score.
I'll measure them properly in due course.
Don't know what Club shoots with the target size you speak of.
Well, this is quite a thread drift.
Does anyone have anything further related to the op?
Does anyone have anything further related to the op?
Pinky, my targets were 40 years ago, starting with a SMLE at about age Fifteen. Thousand yards was an"easy" range because the bull was six feet across.
I forget which were the "harder ranges you may be right from memory somewhere between five and seven hundred was hard.
These were the days when the ammmo was free and I could buy a brand new jungle carbine still in cosmoline for $10.00 at the club.
I forget which were the "harder ranges you may be right from memory somewhere between five and seven hundred was hard.
These were the days when the ammmo was free and I could buy a brand new jungle carbine still in cosmoline for $10.00 at the club.
Aaahhh, 200m, the smell of gun oil and cordite. The absolute thump into a well rested butt the first time you squeeze the trigger on your first centre fire weapon...the SMLE No1 MK3 *....joy
For a thirteen year old...heady stuff
Then again, range rifles are precision instruments. The peep sight of an M16, by comparison, is like looking through a cut out twenty litre drum trying to sight on a nail!
...nice drift, by the way...used to enjoy the discussions on the different fishing lures too.
For a thirteen year old...heady stuffThen again, range rifles are precision instruments. The peep sight of an M16, by comparison, is like looking through a cut out twenty litre drum trying to sight on a nail!
...nice drift, by the way...used to enjoy the discussions on the different fishing lures too.
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I presume this thread has gone off track so there is no pressure on CASA and Airservices to actually move towards the NAS decision of actually training en route controllors in Australia to provide a class E separation service in the terminal area at airports like Mt Hotham and Ballina.
If you file IFR you pay for a control service but actually don't get one where the risk is highest- in the terminal area of non tower airports.
If you file IFR you pay for a control service but actually don't get one where the risk is highest- in the terminal area of non tower airports.
Alas, Dick, most of the frogs have been boiled and most of sleepwalkers have stumbled off the cliff.
You have to learn to trust governments. Their only concern is the objective public interest.
If there is another Lockhart River, never fear: more regulations and more power to the regulator will follow.
You have to learn to trust governments. Their only concern is the objective public interest.
If there is another Lockhart River, never fear: more regulations and more power to the regulator will follow.
Dick, is it any wonder your threads wander off into the nether-nether? You belittle people who tell you things you don't want to hear, hyperbole might sell cheap electronics and groceries but does nothing for serious discussion of safety issues, you go fishing for details of events and then abuse us when we can't provide any details and say we're covering something up and doing everything in our power to stop you. Paranoia anyone?
How bizarre.
How bizarre.
