Incident that could have dwarfed lockhart river
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I think the development sharks have found a perfect excuse to shutdown Bankstown airport.
The streets around Bankstown are a virtual war zone these days. The police seem ambivalent to that to.
The streets around Bankstown are a virtual war zone these days. The police seem ambivalent to that to.
It's not that the techs would be deliberately shot at but that the equipment would be shot at from some distance while the techs were attending.
The facility is in a high traffic state forest, 3k WSW of the town of very nice Western District town of Enfield. For 10 years I event directed rally championship rounds in that forest. In recent years my company has frequently had employees in the area without incident or concern. The beacon is on the border of the Enfield state park and the Enfield state forest. Parks Victoria publishes park notes to encourage recreational visitors to the area. Its near the corner of Incolls Rd and Misery Creek Road. Incolls Road is a well maintained dirt road which links Enfield to some other towns. Its major enough to get Google street view. Anyone can look and make their own assessment. Its clearly visible in a fenced, cleared area on Google Earth.
The Victorian Parks guide is here: http://parkweb.vic.gov.au/__data/ass...State-Park.pdf
If its so dangerous, how come Parks Victoria staff work there? And how come the Victorian Government encourages a wide range of activities from bushwalking to horse riding?
It looks to me like AsA used this as a convenient excuse to avoid maintaining one of its facilities.
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Putting a green wooden fence around it so it was hard to see from the ground would probably make it less interesting to shoot - doesn't seem too difficult.
Unless there was some suggestion that people were deliberately disabling it to interfere with aircraft operations?
Unless there was some suggestion that people were deliberately disabling it to interfere with aircraft operations?
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Love public servants...
This gets better:
le Pingouin can you really imagine the following phone conversation:
AsA person: "Hello, Police? I'm repairing a facility and someone is shooting at the building I'm working in."
Police: "Where are you located?"
AsA person: "Yarrowee VOR (gives location)"
Police: "Oh. Sorry mate. That's in the middle of nowhere, we can't really help you. Don't get shot, okay?"
Don't think so.
You should have read the recent VICPOL response to a cranky old hermit who threatened to burn down the Otways (amongst other things). Do you seriously think VICPOL would ignore actual shots being fired?
But you've kind of confirmed what I suspected, in that the facility was shot at when it was unattended. But then you come up with:
I'm sorry, I can't see it.
Old Akro put it much better than I could.
And what about all the other park rangers that regularly patrol, maintain, etc. all the other state forests where various forms of hunting/shooting are regularly carried out? What about the road workers who replace those road signs that have been shot? Do they wear full body armour and require police escorts?
Of course not!
My suspicion is that AsA was looking for reasons to decommission the aid. An opportunity came up when it was vandalised, so they cooked up a very flimsy OH&S case to excuse them from further maintenance.
DIVOSH!
What exactly would you expect the police to do? It's out in the middle of bloody nowhere.
AsA person: "Hello, Police? I'm repairing a facility and someone is shooting at the building I'm working in."
Police: "Where are you located?"
AsA person: "Yarrowee VOR (gives location)"
Police: "Oh. Sorry mate. That's in the middle of nowhere, we can't really help you. Don't get shot, okay?"
Don't think so.
You should have read the recent VICPOL response to a cranky old hermit who threatened to burn down the Otways (amongst other things). Do you seriously think VICPOL would ignore actual shots being fired?
But you've kind of confirmed what I suspected, in that the facility was shot at when it was unattended. But then you come up with:
no-one was actually there when shots were fired but if you can't see the potential......
Old Akro put it much better than I could.
And what about all the other park rangers that regularly patrol, maintain, etc. all the other state forests where various forms of hunting/shooting are regularly carried out? What about the road workers who replace those road signs that have been shot? Do they wear full body armour and require police escorts?
Of course not!
My suspicion is that AsA was looking for reasons to decommission the aid. An opportunity came up when it was vandalised, so they cooked up a very flimsy OH&S case to excuse them from further maintenance.
DIVOSH!
I agree with the gentleman above.
What exactly would you expect the police to do? It's out in the middle of bloody nowhere.
Its 3 km from the town of Enfield, population about 400, with quite a nice Art Gallery and a couple of nice cafe's.
16km from the town of Buninyong, which has 2 wineries and a restaurant that rates the Age "Good Food Guide".
23 km from the centre of Ballarat, which is the 3rd most populous area in Victoria with a population of approx 150,000
25km from the town of Smythesdale
29 km from the town of Scarsdale
137 km from the Melbourne CBD.
Ballarat has a 24 hour Police Station and Buninyong has a normal hours Police Station.
Parks Victoria has an office in Ballarat and a depot in Buninyong.
"Bloody Nowhere" ? Really? You need to get out more.
You guys need to get over it. It's gone.
Excluding the alleged OHS excuse. The navaid would have been decommissioned early anyway. Fact is in most cases these things cost a lot more to repair and keep running than they do to decommission. Surely even you guys wouldn't be able to justify the expense of repairing it and keeping it going only to rip it out of the ground 12 months later?.
I can see the pprune thread running screaming at why AsA spent 'taxpayers' money on fixing a navaid they were going to withdraw.
You guys won't be satisfied either way.
Excluding the alleged OHS excuse. The navaid would have been decommissioned early anyway. Fact is in most cases these things cost a lot more to repair and keep running than they do to decommission. Surely even you guys wouldn't be able to justify the expense of repairing it and keeping it going only to rip it out of the ground 12 months later?.
I can see the pprune thread running screaming at why AsA spent 'taxpayers' money on fixing a navaid they were going to withdraw.
You guys won't be satisfied either way.
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Mr Two stars…. 
Spot on.
I know a lot of pilots are shooters so this will not be news to them, from 1000m away….You need to be good. Or have good gear to help with trajectory and windage issues. Yes a projectile can easily travel that far but to be accurate is another thing. Most folk who have the gear and are that good do not behave like this.
I suspect even the most cowboy like idiots are not shooting at nag aids especially with vehicles and people around.
Spot on.I know a lot of pilots are shooters so this will not be news to them, from 1000m away….You need to be good. Or have good gear to help with trajectory and windage issues. Yes a projectile can easily travel that far but to be accurate is another thing. Most folk who have the gear and are that good do not behave like this.
I suspect even the most cowboy like idiots are not shooting at nag aids especially with vehicles and people around.
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I know a lot of pilots are shooters so this will not be news to them, from 1000m away….You need to be good.
. And this Saturday out at the local Rifle Club we're shooting at 900 yards.
And yes, you do have to know what you're doing to get hits in the centre of the target at that sort of distances.
And I also strongly doubt that any Fullbore Shooter would be involved in any such acts of vandalism.
My suspicion is that AsA was looking for reasons to decommission the aid. An opportunity came up when it was vandalised, so they cooked up a very flimsy OH&S case to excuse them from further maintenance.
There were repeated acts of vandalism as well - from memory an air conditioner was nicked in one event.
As to shooting - surely if a cut lunch commando who was an ordinary shot can hit a man sized target at 600m with an SLR then a yob with a similar calibre weapon and a scope could hit a barn door at a 1000!
I'd agree it's not the back of Bourke but you wouldn't just happen to drive past while travelling between towns either.
As to shooting - surely if a cut lunch commando who was an ordinary shot can hit a man sized target at 600m with an SLR then a yob with a similar calibre weapon and a scope could hit a barn door at a 1000!
I'd agree it's not the back of Bourke but you wouldn't just happen to drive past while travelling between towns either.
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surely if a cut lunch commando who was an ordinary shot can hit a man sized target at 600m with an SLR
then a yob with a similar calibre weapon and a scope could hit a barn door at a 1000!
This reminds me of the scene from American sniper where they put an engineer up to work on a building as a decoy so they could find the sniper. He was subsequently shot... however they did find the sniper. I think think anyone from ASA is prepared to make that sacrifice
if a cut lunch commando who was an ordinary shot can hit a man sized target at 600m with an SLR
You might have accidentally hit the 0 key twice.
60m? yes.
600m? Don't make me laugh.
I read the text as meaning that the SLR to which you refer does not have a scope (in contrast to the similar calibre weapon with a scope).
If you can reliably hit a man sized target at 600m, with an SLR with ordinary sights, you are no "ordinary shot".
If you can reliably hit a man sized target at 600m, with an SLR with ordinary sights, you are no "ordinary shot".
When you live....
Whatever you say Lead Balloon, I'm not claiming every shot at 600m but I hit it often enough. No special training other than a few 1000 rounds over the years.