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Old 30th Jun 2015, 10:40
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Import

Look at importing an aircraft, especially first of type.

Not chump change! I looked into it.

Why do it when there are so many regos one can leave it on and operate privately.

Problem is if you want to generate some charter income your screwed.

Must look into this ZK idea a little more, how expensive is nzud for first of type?

Shame seeing any aircraft not coming due to $$$ Regs.

I say again, imagine if it was a small private guy brining in the first PC24.
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Old 30th Jun 2015, 11:42
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WHAT IS GOING ON.

Tidbinbilla, I have noticed you have been overtly present of late and have been closing some of Dick's threads. Given the topics have been aviation related I do not understand why. What is going on?
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Old 30th Jun 2015, 12:36
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There's been a lot going on behind the scenes of late. People being banned and or disappearing for starters. One user in particular seems to have had a post count drop in the thousands and hasn't posted since !
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Old 30th Jun 2015, 12:51
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Aussie Bob,

The second hand price for Cennsa VIIs varies by millions, engine/cycles is part of that reason, avionics is another. You could by a very cheap aircraft and need to spend $200,000 on it to get it on the register and still be millions of dollars ahead of buying the one with everything already installed.
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Old 30th Jun 2015, 15:10
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Silence

Silence is deadly...... Tindy u on leave a break or on Tinder?
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Old 30th Jun 2015, 18:56
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Dick,

I fear your tarred with the tendentious blogger and anti casa brush. Although having sat in the seat I think your well placed to make comment.

There were a number of threads regarding the senate inquiries that collectively had over a million hits and were interesting. Posts of senate appearances and comments were worthwhile even influencing future questioning. OK, there were regular posters and perhaps threads were running course. But all of those posters have abandoned this site either voluntarily or via bans.

The other thread 'the empire strikes back on colour defective Vision ' is an example of how this site can work well. I'm not sure if this was locked and then re opened.

Some do not seem to handle constructive criticism well. Dick you raise some good points and challenge casa suggesting solutions. So why are your threads shut down ? !

My view on regulation reform adopt FAA, EASA or NZ CAA in its entirety. I do not see the need for unique confusing rules !

I think this is my last post. Lost interest in this site.

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Old 30th Jun 2015, 20:18
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Agree, not a lot to be gained on here these days.
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Old 30th Jun 2015, 20:21
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At the risk of not really addressing the thread topic...

I'm a retired aviation professional (no, not a professional PILOT) who'd checked out 'the prune'
for quite a while before I signed up.
I'd not really been able to contribute a real lot because there's so much knowledge and experience
on here that I sit back and go.. "orright!"

The industry, as we know, is not without its ego-trippers and 'vested interests' but this forum, IMO,
should not be seen to be restricted to proprietorially limited viewpoints.

We're facing a significant crisis as far as GA in OZ is concerned.
This forum, hopefully, can help by allowing these diverse views to be aired.

Mods, please pass it on to admin.

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Old 30th Jun 2015, 23:34
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OK, there were regular posters and perhaps threads were running course. But all of those posters have abandoned this site either voluntarily or via bans.
They are still there HMHB but they just snipe from the sidelines.

Some do not seem to handle constructive criticism well.

Thats why they snipe from the sidelines.
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Old 30th Jun 2015, 23:38
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Silence is deadly...... Tindy u on leave a break or on Tinder?
He's probably said feg ya all, got in his boat and gone fishing..









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Old 1st Jul 2015, 00:45
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Or taken a couple of Bex and gone for a good lie down!

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Old 1st Jul 2015, 02:42
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Dick,

You seem to have collected a following of childish posters who seem to hijack all your threads, many of them don't seem to work in the industry. You make a valid point; doing business in Australia is unjustifiably expensive and difficult. Most of that expense and difficulty is due to over-regulation. We seem to be moving towards a free-market economy without the relaxation of market constraints, putting at us at a distinct disadvantage.

I currently work mainly overseas as a pilot, with a little bit of casual work in Australia. I'm in a position where I could invest money into a business here and work locally but I just don't see the value in it. Already slim margins are being eaten away by ever-increasing compliance costs and any prospect of upgrading equipment or market diversification brings with it crippling amounts of cost and additional regulatory requirements. Couple these factors with the glacial pace at which our authorities, including CASA, do business and you realize you are better off taking your cash overseas.

Thanks for the thread Dick, I think it is extremely relevant.
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Old 1st Jul 2015, 03:33
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Would Dick's thread have been targetted by so many loonies attacking the man and not the ball had it have been re-written as:

I am planning on starting a new business (hiring locals) who was planning to bring a Citation 7 from Europe to Australia to seed the business. The Citation 7 we planned to bring in, which is fully approved for operation in Europe and the USA, requires something like $400,000 worth of modifications to operate in Australia. This included both UNS units had to be upgraded plus ADS-B had to be fitted and – wait for it – yes, a full flight data recorder had to be added. After the $400,000 was factored in it was decided not to bring the plane into Australia. Yet again, another aircraft and the employment lost for our industry.

Things seem to be getting worse, not better. I wonder how many more years we will see of our industry being destroyed.
By taking Dick out of the equation, I would think it is an entirely relevant topic for an Australian aviation forum, which frequently discusses the pitfalls of trying to start/run a business.

Sadly, and childishly, some posters seem to take more delight from attacking dick based on his money or profile. This post had nothing to do with Dick as he pointed out, he was inquiring on behalf of someone else.

Let's forget the personality, and support the thrust of the issue instead.

Also:
This would be more appropriate on an aircraft owners forum. This forum is for professional pilots.
. Then why is the forum called General Aviation and Questions, doesn't seem to be tied to professional pilots to me?

ps. It does feel like too much good debate is being moderated, can the crap, but leave the good stuff!
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Old 1st Jul 2015, 05:24
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Problem is if you want to generate some charter income your screwed.
Not so, you can operate a non-VH aircraft on an Australia AOC, airlines (and others) do it all the time. This is as a result of a Federal Court decision. Of course CASA will tell you no, and make it as difficult as possible if you try.

Administrative obstruction (all in the name of air safety, you understand) is a powerful weapon, the countervailing weapon is measured in cubic dollars. Enforcing your rights at law can get very expensive when you are dealing with CASA.

Must look into this ZK idea a little more, how expensive is nzud for first of type?
Email them, and ask them, CAA NZ are very good at quoting fixed prices and timescales for such matters. Not the open ended charges of CASA.

Needless to say, CASA do their very best to ignore the intent of the TTMRA (which NZ honours as intended), you only have to look at the impositions in the Civil Aviation Act 1988, intended to undermine the intent of the TTMRA.

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Old 1st Jul 2015, 05:34
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I think Dick has a valid point in regards the moderators locking of threads.
I understand the frustration they must feel with serial pest posters.
I have no doubt the moderators are influenced by other factors. I don't for a minute expect them accept a level playing field, it is after all their bat and ball, and we live in a very litigious society.
Dick Smith's posts are always relevant. I respect the guy immensely. There should be more like he and Nick Xenophon. I hope he enters parliament and rattles their cages.
Dick is one of the few who posts with his own name. I always try to post thinking, what if one day they suddenly reveal all our names. Would I regret my posts?
Play the issue not the man, unless the man is an idiot of course, but who decides that?
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Old 1st Jul 2015, 06:59
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Thumbs down

This forum has "grown" over the years!?! You must be joking! This forum has never been as dead!! Especially the Aussie and NZ sections, on the 10 years I've been posting. It can sometimes be days between interesting topics..
True. But didn't you know "This would be more appropriate on an aircraft owners forum. This forum is for professional pilots." ?

It should be noted the nonsense and fluff that is said in other pprune forums, unmoderated. But here... it has gone to the dogs.

Like I said, let's hear it Tid! Suddenly very quiet!
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Old 1st Jul 2015, 07:05
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At least the moderators on here don't have mental issues (that I know of) like some other forums that I've been to.
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Old 1st Jul 2015, 08:44
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Well for what it's worth,

I've had some threads that've been closed down by Tidi, most recently, Windfarms 4 (which as correctly identified wasn't really aviation related) however a person who I've known for a long time that I regard as an "A Grader" who, despite my asking over the years will not give up the identity of "anyone"!. This person has told me that Tidi is an "A Grader". Regardless of Tidi's profession (if any) that's good enough for me! If Tidi chooses to close down my contribution to a thread in his capacity as a Moderator or for whatever any other reason I accept it (especially on the back on my indirect knowledge). So be it!

In moderation somebody has to make the hard calls (always in someone elses eyes) and I have no problem with the moderators decision making process whatsoever.

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Old 1st Jul 2015, 20:31
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....hope I am not classed a serial pest

My point has been aired. As indicated subsequently, whilst I do not know the age of the aircraft and its equipment, I point to the intent of the importer and the business decision they must make. Either the cost is purely to meet regulations...and at 400 large appears a tad highball... or, it is an avionics upgrade wish list that has the sky as the limit.

To use this event as an example of bureaucratic intransigent behaviour is fraught with doubts.
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Old 1st Jul 2015, 21:00
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At least the moderators on here don't have mental issues (that I know of) like some other forums that I've been to.
What a relief! Coming here at least once per day, for the past 20 years, I often doubt my own sanity!

Tids is not the only Dunnunda Mod, there are more than just the two of us. Don't blame Tids for every perceived moderating "crime" that some don't agree with. Also, there are "back of the clock" Admins in Europe and the USA that are active in these forums overnight in Australia.

Tids too has been a dedicated volunteer Mod for over twenty years, one of the most experienced and capable PPRuNe Mods in the team. Moderating this forum can be subjective at times but I can assure you, every Mod in the Dunnunda forums 100% supports the decisions and actions of every other Mod.

We are one Team. Offend one and you offend us all.

There are many reasons why threads are locked. Probably the most common reason is because a thread has drifted so far off topic into repetitious, meaningless and irrelevant drivel, that the only option is to lock the thread. Some threads are locked because they are a repeat of previous threads that have been thrashed to death. Threads are locked because they are irrelevant to professional aviation or irrelevant to the Australia, New Zealand and Pacific region. Threads are locked when any individual creates a soap box for their own biased agenda or fall in love with the sound of their own keyboard. And threads are locked and/or removed when they contain libellous or malicious posts which may expose PPRuNe and the user to litigation.
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