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SWH . You have missed my point entirely.
I introduced the " first of type " changes back in about 1990 which meant aircraft did not have to have expensive modifications to go on our register .
That's what has changed and is the reason this aircraft will not come to Australia and result in employment of more professional pilots!
I introduced the " first of type " changes back in about 1990 which meant aircraft did not have to have expensive modifications to go on our register .
That's what has changed and is the reason this aircraft will not come to Australia and result in employment of more professional pilots!
As I understand it the 650 import was not limited as a 'first of type' but rather the expensive upgrades to comply with our ADS-B system plus an FDR not required in USA. These items add no value if aircraft is subsequently exported so therefore somewhat "dead money"...
I think it's most likely caused by the one way ratchet in increased CASA imposed costs . Any other views?
You don't think it's got something to do with the increase in real estate vlaues in Sydney, with corresponding increases in rent/mortgages, as well as the other increases in cost of living?
Here's another thought:
120 years ago there would have been multiple blacksmiths and wheelwrights in every regional village or town and on most large properties to service the ubiquitous horse and cart industry.
Even in the 1900s it would have seemed impossible to think that motor cars would render the horse and cart a curiosity, a plaything for eccentric hobbyists.
In the 1970s and 1980s it would have been impossible to forsee a day where General Aviation would end. Every man would have an aeroplane or a helicopter parked in his shed by the 21st century - look at the rate of technological progress we were making!
How many electronic kits does your shop sell these days Dick? I know you don't own it any more but I bet you it's a fraction of what my mates and I used to buy in the 1980s.
I hope I'm wrong.
All aircraft imported to Australia should be fitted with an FDR and CVR. Just think how much easier the investigation of the NGA ditching would have been, if NGA had been fitted with an FDR and CVR.
It's about safety.
It's about safety.
Classic
Rumor network a little freedom of speech.
I agree with threads attacking people gutlessly should be shut down.
But a chat about import...
Must be CaSA...
I agree with threads attacking people gutlessly should be shut down.
But a chat about import...
Must be CaSA...
Originally Posted by Dick Smith
SWH . You have missed my point entirely.
I introduced the " first of type " changes back in about 1990 which meant aircraft did not have to have expensive modifications to go on our register .
I introduced the " first of type " changes back in about 1990 which meant aircraft did not have to have expensive modifications to go on our register .
I dont think I have missed your point at all. At no stage was anyone able to import an aircraft from overseas without meeting Australian Airworthiness requirements, even a factory new 737 or A320.
I am somewhat suspicious over the $400,000 being presented. I have previously pointed out to you the availability of an EASA STC for your Citation which adds a WAAS position source without having to go via Cessna so you can be ADSB. The Cessna 650 should also have TD-94s transponders as well, it should not be difficult to get a WAAS data source connected to them and then you have ADSB.
The purchase of a second hand 15-20 year old aircraft like the Cessna 650 is a commercial decision, someone operating in that space should be aware of the airworthiness requirements that apply to every aircraft type in that class.
This is not a type specific/first of type cost being imposed by CASA regulation at all.
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Lead Balloon. Your comment "All aircraft imported to Australia should be fitted with an FDR and CVR. Just think how much easier the investigation of the NGA ditching would have been, if NGA had been fitted with an FDR and CVR" is perplexing.
I thought the new investigation into NGA included retrieving the boxes that they hadn't bothered with last time.
Or is it irony? Apologies for any thread drift.
I thought the new investigation into NGA included retrieving the boxes that they hadn't bothered with last time.
Or is it irony? Apologies for any thread drift.
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SHW. No. Not a first of type requirement . But a CASA requirement if the aircraft wishes to operate in Aus.
If we go back and accept aircraft that meet the current FAA requirements this and other aircraft will be able to come to Australia and operate at no punitive extra cost.
Our unique early ADSB requirements will further damage our industry with no measurable safety improvement.
If we go back and accept aircraft that meet the current FAA requirements this and other aircraft will be able to come to Australia and operate at no punitive extra cost.
Our unique early ADSB requirements will further damage our industry with no measurable safety improvement.
Originally Posted by Dick Smith
If we go back and accept aircraft that meet the current FAA requirements this and other aircraft will be able to come to Australia and operate at no punitive extra cost.
That does not mean an imported aircraft do not need to have Australian registration marks, data plates, exit signs etc. Australian airworthiness requirements need to be met, they apply to all aircraft.
Your friend could have made the commercial decision to buy a second had aircraft that already has ADSB, TCAS, DFDR installed for several million dollars more, or a lower price one with the knowledge they need to comply with Australian requirements. It the choices one has to make when importing a 15-20 year old aircraft.
If he was shopping for an aircraft to use in Australia he should have known what he is looking for, you don't by a 2 seats sports car for a family of 5.
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SHW. How can Australia absorb all these extra costs?
Don't you understand that to add even $200 k to the cost of an aircraft means a business may not be viable.
That was the sole reason my board made the decision that we must not have any higher costs than other leading aviation countries .
It's almost as if you do not understand business viability in an environment where we already pay higher wages and salaries than competitor countries like the USA.
I despair.
Don't you understand that to add even $200 k to the cost of an aircraft means a business may not be viable.
That was the sole reason my board made the decision that we must not have any higher costs than other leading aviation countries .
It's almost as if you do not understand business viability in an environment where we already pay higher wages and salaries than competitor countries like the USA.
I despair.
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Rodney Rude..... you are him/her? as you stated this is a "professional pilots." forum or used to be. You think a flight attendant should be making comments on a professional pilots forum the same way I don't make comments on how to serve coffee/tea on a hostie forum. Tinda I don't know you but i'm on your side on this we have refullers and hosties on this forum like Rodney Rude telling the world about shooting a ILS in the soup 100 above mins as a spectator waiting to refuel me and at best telling us why it should or could be done better ....go figure! Well done Tinda !
swh: your poor grasp of the English language makes your post difficult to interpret at best.
Please explain; are you trying to tell us that the bloke who wants a brand new car should instead settle for something second hand because it will save money? Or will the second hand car have more features but cost more?
Please decipher .... I can't.
Rodney rude:
To true!
Please explain; are you trying to tell us that the bloke who wants a brand new car should instead settle for something second hand because it will save money? Or will the second hand car have more features but cost more?
Your friend could have made the commercial decision to buy a second had aircraft that already has ADSB, TCAS, DFDR installed for several million dollars more, or a lower price one with the knowledge they need to comply with Australian requirements. It the choices one has to make when importing a 15-20 year old aircraft.
Rodney rude:
To true!
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This forum has "grown" over the years!?! You must be joking! This forum has never been as dead!! Especially the Aussie and NZ sections, on the 10 years I've been posting. It can sometimes be days between interesting topics..
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