Approval of Fixed Wing Mustering Endorsement??
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Approval of Fixed Wing Mustering Endorsement??
Hey guys,
So my question is a relatively easy one but I am stuck on getting an answer.
Who, in Australia is approved to conduct training for a fixed wing mustering endorsement?
I have countless hours flying around low level but am now looking to obtain the endorsement to let me muster on some of the bigger stations. I know that a lot of low hour pilots would find this information useful too as it's a way to get their first job.
I've been sent round and round in circles contacting different people but still no luck. So, if anyone could point me in the right direction, either the name of someone approved or a training organisation, that would be much appreciated.
Cheers
So my question is a relatively easy one but I am stuck on getting an answer.
Who, in Australia is approved to conduct training for a fixed wing mustering endorsement?
I have countless hours flying around low level but am now looking to obtain the endorsement to let me muster on some of the bigger stations. I know that a lot of low hour pilots would find this information useful too as it's a way to get their first job.
I've been sent round and round in circles contacting different people but still no luck. So, if anyone could point me in the right direction, either the name of someone approved or a training organisation, that would be much appreciated.
Cheers
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I thought the R22 was the tool of choice for mustering on big properties.
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Hey Waikato Lad.
It's a nonsense since the introduction of Part 61
I take it you have a part 61 Low Level Rating LL-A?
If you find the answer to your question on the Mustering endorsement can you let us all know.....
Cheers
It's a nonsense since the introduction of Part 61
I take it you have a part 61 Low Level Rating LL-A?
If you find the answer to your question on the Mustering endorsement can you let us all know.....
Cheers
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Hey guys,
So I found a guy that's approved and willing to train people to get their mustering endo.
He even comes to you, anywhere in Australia, if you foot the bill for his travel.
The conditions, however, are that you will need you're own aircraft and cattle (already having a job on a station is obviously the case).
He charges $1600 for the full endo over 2-3 days which consists of 15hrs flying (10hrs if you already have a low level endo).
His idea was if a bunch of us got together and knocked it all out over a week or so which would split the bill of his travel, possibly making the full endo cost less than $2000.
If anyone currently works on a station with an aircraft and is keen to get their endorsement, I'd be keen to jump on board and do it with you.
Let me know what you guys think?
Cheers
So I found a guy that's approved and willing to train people to get their mustering endo.
He even comes to you, anywhere in Australia, if you foot the bill for his travel.
The conditions, however, are that you will need you're own aircraft and cattle (already having a job on a station is obviously the case).
He charges $1600 for the full endo over 2-3 days which consists of 15hrs flying (10hrs if you already have a low level endo).
His idea was if a bunch of us got together and knocked it all out over a week or so which would split the bill of his travel, possibly making the full endo cost less than $2000.
If anyone currently works on a station with an aircraft and is keen to get their endorsement, I'd be keen to jump on board and do it with you.
Let me know what you guys think?
Cheers
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Hey guys,
So I found a guy that's approved and willing to train people to get their mustering endo.
He even comes to you, anywhere in Australia, if you foot the bill for his travel.
The conditions, however, are that you will need you're own aircraft and cattle (already having a job on a station is obviously the case).
He charges $1600 for the full endo over 2-3 days which consists of 15hrs flying (10hrs if you already have a low level endo).
His idea was if a bunch of us got together and knocked it all out over a week or so which would split the bill of his travel, possibly making the full endo cost less than $2000.
If anyone currently works on a station with an aircraft and is keen to get their endorsement, I'd be keen to jump on board and do it with you.
Let me know what you guys think?
Cheers
So I found a guy that's approved and willing to train people to get their mustering endo.
He even comes to you, anywhere in Australia, if you foot the bill for his travel.
The conditions, however, are that you will need you're own aircraft and cattle (already having a job on a station is obviously the case).
He charges $1600 for the full endo over 2-3 days which consists of 15hrs flying (10hrs if you already have a low level endo).
His idea was if a bunch of us got together and knocked it all out over a week or so which would split the bill of his travel, possibly making the full endo cost less than $2000.
If anyone currently works on a station with an aircraft and is keen to get their endorsement, I'd be keen to jump on board and do it with you.
Let me know what you guys think?
Cheers
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quote "definitely not, fixed wing are quieter...." That's the opposite of my experience on the Barkly Tablelands. Hardly a plane in sight, and R22's used for mustering.
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Depends on the country and the stock you are mustering.
We used fixed wing in the Upper Gascoyne because that country is very light and stocking rates are low for both cattle and sheep. Rotary wings were simply too expensive.
We also found sheep are better worked on the ground so the aircraft's role was more spotting than mustering.
Kaz
quote "definitely not, fixed wing are quieter...." That's the opposite of my experience on the Barkly Tablelands. Hardly a plane in sight, and R22's used for mustering.
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Depends on the country and the stock you are mustering.
We used fixed wing in the Upper Gascoyne because that country is very light and stocking rates are low for both cattle and sheep. Rotary wings were simply too expensive.
We also found sheep are better worked on the ground so the aircraft's role was more spotting than mustering.
Kaz
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I thought the mustering/cattle skills far exceeded the flying skills. Times must have changed.
If you can get a copy of R.c stone's book it might save you some grief
If you can get a copy of R.c stone's book it might save you some grief
LL Ratings
With the introduction of Part 61 - all training instructors have to upskill to Examiner (ATO) level, although the recent Instrument allows another year or so to comply.
For many of the previously approved LL trainers - this is all becoming too difficult. Most of them were never ATO's anyway. I expect many will drop out because they don't need the ATO approval for any other work, and for the few LL's that are required - it's too costly.
I've already written to the regulator and recommended they reconsider LL. Given that the syllabus hasn't been changed since the quite inadequate one provided in CAO 29.10 - where's the necessity to call it a rating with all the add on requirements?
They need to get their act together very soon, or all of the real LL experienced instructors will be gone. The industry needs more LL qualified instructors and these need some mentoring by the about to retire generation. Wonder if the regulator is even aware that there is about to be a major depletion in this sector?
happy days,
With the introduction of Part 61 - all training instructors have to upskill to Examiner (ATO) level, although the recent Instrument allows another year or so to comply.
For many of the previously approved LL trainers - this is all becoming too difficult. Most of them were never ATO's anyway. I expect many will drop out because they don't need the ATO approval for any other work, and for the few LL's that are required - it's too costly.
I've already written to the regulator and recommended they reconsider LL. Given that the syllabus hasn't been changed since the quite inadequate one provided in CAO 29.10 - where's the necessity to call it a rating with all the add on requirements?
They need to get their act together very soon, or all of the real LL experienced instructors will be gone. The industry needs more LL qualified instructors and these need some mentoring by the about to retire generation. Wonder if the regulator is even aware that there is about to be a major depletion in this sector?
happy days,
