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Old 4th May 2015, 14:31
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Hundreds of hours studying, thousands of dollars spent on schools, licences, exams etc and it comes down to tools like this who cant be bothered reading a few lines on a resume.

These clowns are the ones in charge of our destinies
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Old 4th May 2015, 20:35
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That's right, C.T.G.

You can throw all the money at it you like, but if your attitude sucks and you aren't prepared to make the effort that others are, then you'll most likely not get a run.

In the early phase of a pilot career, it is less about your technical proficiency (because it is (generally) fair to say that all newly graduated CPLs are at or about the same technical level) and more about whether you will make the effort to stand out from the competition - yes, it is a competition, just ask all the unemployed pilots hanging around Darwin, Broome, etc. Most CP are looking for someone who will value add to their organisation - that is, someone who will make their life a bit easier, not just another junior pilot full of self-entitlement. This may not be you, but understand the pool of newbies is choking with them.

One won't make the right impression by sucking up or offering to work for free, if I have to outline the specifics, one probably isn't ready...

When you get to be a CP, feel free to change the world for the better and give everyone who comes through your door, or who mails a resume, a job. Until then, try and understand the culture and if you want to succeed work with it.

More broadly, the northern GA industry is very slow at the moment, the traditional recruiting period (now) has not been anything like previous years, but that can all change in a heartbeat. Perseverance and courage is what is needed now if you want to get a start. If you don't give it a try, you cannot win.

All the best.
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Old 5th May 2015, 03:42
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LP,

Yes there are many good reasons for the Australian or NZ only licenses.

Our instructors are approved to conduct training for both of the these licenses but not any other country at this stage. As all new expat pilots operate on a validation not an Indonesia License, any training conducted in house needs to meet the requirements of the license issuer.

Yes we hire Indonesian citizens as copilots ,thats why we clearly state on the AUSTRALIAN and International web sites we do not need copilots. Our Indonesian Copilots are trained internally and supplied by our partnered flying school. We are currently running ground school for 20 new Indonesian pilots.

The only expat copilots we will be hiring in the foreseeable future are those we have already interviewed and accepted.

Depending if we are looking for mountain captains or low land captains determines if we need 500 hours mountain experience or not. We will change our requirements like all companies from time to time depending what we need on that particular day.

Finally, blocked means that.. The email address is added to our email servers block list.

CTG - If you obviously have no clue what your talking about.. When we get 100s of CV's a week while working in Papua with terribly slow internet this takes huge amounts of time, sometimes days to download our emails. I am sure you get plenty of spam emails like the rest of us, annoying isn't it.

Luckily Jaz has solved a lot of theses issues into the future.. The online application process will automatically remove those that do not meet our current criteria at the time.

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Old 6th May 2015, 08:35
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Flying Bear…wont disagree with much of what you have said at all except that there can be a gaping wide difference between recently graduated CPL’s. Being in Europe and having learnt to fly in GA and then modular route up to CPL (fATPL) and having been though some of the big integrated schools here for various courses I can tell you the level is not the same across the board, whether it be the sponsored guys from the middle east or ex RAF pilots, you would not believe some of the questions/responses I have heard come out of their mouths.

As for Skydiveandy’s internet speed, I really could not care less. You chose the internet as a platform to advertise and you also chose to handle the process yourself, i.e. not using a recruiter. You also chose to accept email applicants and not use a web based application form that, with a hand full of questions, you could weed out almost all (not the trollers obviously) of those not qualified. Having all been your own choices you have brought it upon yourself and now have no choice but to do the leg work yourself. I don’t disagree with much of your original post, having screened applications in the past, but a resume is a resume and you will do yourself a favour to lose these preconceived ideas about what someone’s resume should look like…I suspect you may well even be surprised, that is once you and Jaz have sorted out the initial process.
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Old 6th May 2015, 11:08
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As for Skydiveandy’s internet speed, I really could not care less. You chose the internet as a platform to advertise and you also chose to handle the process yourself, i.e. not using a recruiter. You also chose to accept email applicants and not use a web based application form that, with a hand full of questions, you could weed out almost all (not the trollers obviously) of those not qualified. Having all been your own choices you have brought it upon yourself and now have no choice but to do the leg work yourself. I don’t disagree with much of your original post, having screened applications in the past, but a resume is a resume and you will do yourself a favour to lose these preconceived ideas about what someone’s resume should look like…I suspect you may well even be surprised, that is once you and Jaz have sorted out the initial process.
The main thrust of the above quote mirrors my thoughts entirely when I read your post Skydiveandy, and I would be interested to read your reply.

I'm not having a go at you btw. But you made an assertion, and I'm interested as to how you will defend it given the circumstances re your net speed.
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Old 6th May 2015, 15:17
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No jobs for newly graduated pilots

I'm from Malaysian and it has been a year since i graduated from my flying school EASA CPl/IR license. studied hard for 14 stupid paper and after a year still no jobs. Applied like a thousand company, but they all say will keep in touch. how the hell do airlines expect us to have 1000hours if we didn't have a chance to fly. spend 100k usd on flying and everything seems to be in vain.


if anyone knows any place i can get a job please reply me in address or whatsoever. as for now any pilot jobs are fine. rome is not built in a day, so i don't expect so much. malaysia airlines and airasia are pretty much not really recruiting so things have been really slow in my country. even in africa they have problems getting visas for expats. i wonder do even have the chance to touch the skies again
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Old 7th May 2015, 00:44
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CTG you are correct.. We did choose the AFAP web site to advertise and yes you are right at this point in time we do not have an online application. That has more to do with the fact we didnt have the technical expertise to implement it.. That is all about to change..

But before you go on to far.. Remember this is our playground and we get to set our own rules.. The whole point of the original post was to HELP people that wanted to apply to US. Give them guidelines of what WE are looking for.

This week i am in the big smoke and internet is awesome.. Of the emails i have received this week and there has been over 100 only (3) yes i said three came close to meeting our minimum requirements. Thats 97 that we had to open their MS Word or PDF documents, quickly scan and REPLY too telling them they didnt meet our minimum requirements.

Some of the 97 were a little vague on hours, most with a few thousand TT but no listed time on type. Those guys we emailed and asked the question. Not one of them had time on type.

I will say most of those applicants are not coming from Oz or NZ but from all over the world. Many who have seen an advert on their local sites that was copy and pasted from AFAP. We did not advertise on any of those sites.

Yes we do our best to reply to all applicants.

Finally when we do get the online application system running it will solve many of these problems, not all but most.

Now all we have to do, is wait.. Indonesia time
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