Part 61 - Airline cyclics and pvt flying
The last renewal I did in July 2014 was recognized by CASA as a AFR and was valid for 2 years from then surely? Otherwise you'd have a hell of a lot of Pilots suddenly requiring an AFR on Oct 1st to fly a lighty.......
If they recognized the check and training we did as covering an AFR then surely it would have been valid for 2 years????
If they recognized the check and training we did as covering an AFR then surely it would have been valid for 2 years????
Why not look at this from a different perspective, develop a business case to have your GA AFR replace the need to participate in an airline cyclic training programme? I'm sure you'd gain the full support of the bean counters!
Surely you could argue that the PA28 is fly by wire...there must be some wires or cables in there somewhere 
Power levers almost the same, push them up as far as they will go and it will still fly slower than the airbus taxys (well almost)
Autoland might be a bit rough though
Pax comfort would definitely be compromised, not sure how we could get 276 punters in the back of the warrior.
Power levers almost the same, push them up as far as they will go and it will still fly slower than the airbus taxys (well almost)
Autoland might be a bit rough though
Pax comfort would definitely be compromised, not sure how we could get 276 punters in the back of the warrior.
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So all I need to do is find a multi engine amphibious float equipped turbine aerobatic fire bombing Ag plane, then do a formation flight at night in IMC demonstration my instructional proficiency, I'm good to exercise the privileges etc...... Fit and proper person ..... Yadda yadda, eight inches from bottle to throttle, no panadiene for the pounding hangover due AOD policy, ....yadda yadda.....pee in this bottle.....FRMS....yadda yadda......... Safety management system..........CRM, BWA, DGA.......AOC, CP, HAAMC......blah blah fcuking blah
Yawn.
Lawnmower powered parasail anyone?
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Yawn.
Lawnmower powered parasail anyone?
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Oktas8; An excellent job of changing Legalese into understandable English!
You get my vote to rewrite the whole bloody lot!!
Probably do in a few months what CASA and their associated mob of mentally challenged illegegitimate offspring of (censored) have been allegedly trying to do for about the last 10 years, and at a fraction of the amount of money so far spent!
I believe Taily has an idea on the bill so far.
You get my vote to rewrite the whole bloody lot!!
Probably do in a few months what CASA and their associated mob of mentally challenged illegegitimate offspring of (censored) have been allegedly trying to do for about the last 10 years, and at a fraction of the amount of money so far spent!
I believe Taily has an idea on the bill so far.
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Pity I cannot fly that floatplane off to a good fishing spot as I need to do a BFR in a floatplane!
61.385 does require you to comply with a general competency requirement for that particular aircraft type.
61.385 Limitations on exercise of privileges of pilot licences—general competency requirement
(1) The holder of a pilot licence is authorised to exercise the privileges of the licence in an aircraft only if the holder is competent in operating the aircraft to the standards mentioned in the Part 61 Manual of Standards for the class or type to which the aircraft belongs, including in all of the following areas:
(a) operating the aircraft’s navigation and operating systems;
(b) conducting all normal, abnormal and emergency flight procedures for the aircraft;
(c) applying operating limitations;
(d) weight and balance requirements;
(e) applying aircraft performance data, including take‑off and landing performance data, for the aircraft.
(1) The holder of a pilot licence is authorised to exercise the privileges of the licence in an aircraft only if the holder is competent in operating the aircraft to the standards mentioned in the Part 61 Manual of Standards for the class or type to which the aircraft belongs, including in all of the following areas:
(a) operating the aircraft’s navigation and operating systems;
(b) conducting all normal, abnormal and emergency flight procedures for the aircraft;
(c) applying operating limitations;
(d) weight and balance requirements;
(e) applying aircraft performance data, including take‑off and landing performance data, for the aircraft.
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Thanks Manymak!
I mistakenly thought floatplane was a different class (like with the FAA)
Of course in the USA a FR flown in any of their classes covers the other ones, all the glider pilots I know over there are flying privately in singles, and some in multis on their FR in gliders.
I mistakenly thought floatplane was a different class (like with the FAA)
Of course in the USA a FR flown in any of their classes covers the other ones, all the glider pilots I know over there are flying privately in singles, and some in multis on their FR in gliders.
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No worries.
I have had confirmation from CASA on more than one occasion that the intent behind regulation 61.375 is that doing a Flight Review or Proficiency Check (Inst. Instructor etc. etc.) in a MEA will cover you for SEA.
For a while there many thought that a check ride in the multi would not cover you for a single-engine aeroplane. Obviously as it was in the previous CAR5 set of rules the reverse would not apply.
But to keep on topic with this thread the above does not apply for your average airline pilot. Conducting an IPC (or whatever your nomenclature your organisation utilises) in an aircraft requiring a type rating (a few exceptions..King Air 350, Metro, Dornier 228) as all transport category aircraft would. Will not cover you for a MEA flight review.
Unless company policy applies you are free to do a flight review as required to maintain currency on a MEA/SEA aircraft. If you wanted to fly under the IFR in those class of aircraft your airline cyclic/IPC will not cover you and an IPC in your 'lighty' will be required. A current IPC in a MEA/SEA will cover you for Night VFR as now with Part 61 this is a standing privilege as a holder of an Instrument Rating.
I have had confirmation from CASA on more than one occasion that the intent behind regulation 61.375 is that doing a Flight Review or Proficiency Check (Inst. Instructor etc. etc.) in a MEA will cover you for SEA.
For a while there many thought that a check ride in the multi would not cover you for a single-engine aeroplane. Obviously as it was in the previous CAR5 set of rules the reverse would not apply.
But to keep on topic with this thread the above does not apply for your average airline pilot. Conducting an IPC (or whatever your nomenclature your organisation utilises) in an aircraft requiring a type rating (a few exceptions..King Air 350, Metro, Dornier 228) as all transport category aircraft would. Will not cover you for a MEA flight review.
Unless company policy applies you are free to do a flight review as required to maintain currency on a MEA/SEA aircraft. If you wanted to fly under the IFR in those class of aircraft your airline cyclic/IPC will not cover you and an IPC in your 'lighty' will be required. A current IPC in a MEA/SEA will cover you for Night VFR as now with Part 61 this is a standing privilege as a holder of an Instrument Rating.
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What about this one, I did a check ride with an instructor in a Cessna 172 in January 2014. In November I did my IR through my companies cyclic program and now have a Part 61 licence. Can I still fly the C172?
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Yes you can up until your Flight Review for Single Engine Aircraft Class Rating expires on 31 Jan 2016
What I haven't yet said is that this thread came about because the majority of my first post was taken directly from an email received from CASA saying the opposite of what you just have... I can provide a name by PM if anyone wants it.
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Many years ago my Senior Instructor used to tell me that the most scary pilots in GA were Doctors, Lawyers, and Airline pilots. He reckoned none of them could fly a lighty. Part 61 authors must have heard the same story as it relates to Airline Pilots. 
Comment made with tounge in cheek!!!! Have a laugh guys.
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Comment made with tounge in cheek!!!! Have a laugh guys.
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I sent you a PM. However I should clarify, my response that you could fly the C172 VFR, to fly the C172 IFR would require a class rating proficiency check (or flight review if a PIFR)
I sent you a PM. However I should clarify, my response that you could fly the C172 VFR, to fly the C172 IFR would require a class rating proficiency check (or flight review if a PIFR)
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Spoke to CASA today regarding my situation and I was told I can continue to fly privately without the need to do a flight review until June 2016.
They told me airline pilots operating under an airline cyclic program have 2 years from the date of their last OPC completed prior to the introduction of Part 61.
They told me airline pilots operating under an airline cyclic program have 2 years from the date of their last OPC completed prior to the introduction of Part 61.
Many years ago my Senior Instructor used to tell me that the most scary pilots in GA were Doctors, Lawyers, and Airline pilots.
- a doctor in a Bonanza
- 2 airline pilots in a 172
- a flight attendant with a chipped tooth.........................