"Caution wake turbulence"
Thread drift but still relevant: if you saw a Kangaroo on the runway, would you tell other people in the circuit? By the same logic, their training should be to scan the runway before landing and avoid.
Of course you would tell people to be careful. It's a unique hazard and may save aircraft from being damaged, plus it's just good airmanship to help each other out. Just don't "blah blah" too long about it on the radio.
Same logic for wake turbulence in my opinion.
Of course you would tell people to be careful. It's a unique hazard and may save aircraft from being damaged, plus it's just good airmanship to help each other out. Just don't "blah blah" too long about it on the radio.
Same logic for wake turbulence in my opinion.
I see it a bit different. I agree with this
and this sounds sensible as well
Yes I would advise other aircraft if I saw a Kangaroo on the day, bit, I wouldn't tell them everyday that I saw a Kangaroo once upon a time.
Likewise with the flames from the exhaust comment earlier on, yes I would advise some one if I saw it, BUT I wouldn't advise every piston aircraft I saw from then on "caution possible fire in the exhaust" which is the direction some of the earlier posts were heading.
Saying it every call in a dash8 - yeah that's unnecessary.
you land straight-in approach in a medium wake aircraft. Still air and unlikely your wake will blow away quickly. An ultralight late downwind turns right in behind you and their radio call gives you the impression they may not be aware of wake turbulence. You give them a quick reminder of a non-standard consideration.
Likewise with the flames from the exhaust comment earlier on, yes I would advise some one if I saw it, BUT I wouldn't advise every piston aircraft I saw from then on "caution possible fire in the exhaust" which is the direction some of the earlier posts were heading.
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So consider a hypothetical case where the ultralight in RENURPP's post does indeed turn base close behind a medium category wake turbulence aircraft and the crew of the medium wake turbulence aircraft does not include 'caution, wake turbulence' with the ever-increasing R/T blurb that is required these days. The ultralight loses control on late final and crashes.
Would the crew of the medium wake turbulence category aircraft be found to be at fault for not warning the pilot of the ultralight?
Would the crew of the medium wake turbulence category aircraft be found to be at fault for not warning the pilot of the ultralight?
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Are we now having a spate of crashes that are attributable to "uneducated and dumb" GA pilots not understanding wake turbulence?
Don't know how I survived for all those years when I was one of them!
(hopefully you understand sarcasm!!!)
Don't know how I survived for all those years when I was one of them!
(hopefully you understand sarcasm!!!)
So consider a hypothetical case where the ultralight in RENURPP's post does indeed turn base close behind a medium category wake turbulence aircraft and the crew of the medium wake turbulence aircraft does not include 'caution, wake turbulence' with the ever-increasing R/T blurb that is required these days. The ultralight loses control on late final and crashes.
Would the crew of the medium wake turbulence category aircraft be found to be at fault for not warning the pilot of the ultralight?
Would the crew of the medium wake turbulence category aircraft be found to be at fault for not warning the pilot of the ultralight?
If it becomes the norm or a requirement to caution people then that may well change.
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I can only imagine it would feel pretty bad to find out that your wake killed someone else because you didn't warn them.
Is our training system that bad that wake turbulence and being cautious behind someone bigger than you is no longer part of the syllabi?
I can't answer it, however if people believe it is an issue it should be addressed with training, not more verbal diarrhoea.
To take the ultra light discussion to another level, if you call him and he doesn't respond, (not listening or simply doesn't have a VHF) what are you going to do then, taxi off the runway and allow him (and any other lighty) to depart first in the interest of safety?
It's either safety critical or its not.
I like to advise other aircraft of my jet wash before I taxi as well. Just to let them know I'm piloting a big jet.
Pretty hazardous you know. I also let them know when my big powerful radar is going live. You don't want some whipper snapper in front getting radiated. Helps with traffic flow though. They get out the way pretty quick.
I also like to remind other pilots of correct radio procedure. There is nothing more annoying than someone who doesn't use correct phraseology. I'll always add an 'ing' onto their transmissions. I just find it polite and curtious to help out.
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Pretty hazardous you know. I also let them know when my big powerful radar is going live. You don't want some whipper snapper in front getting radiated. Helps with traffic flow though. They get out the way pretty quick.
I also like to remind other pilots of correct radio procedure. There is nothing more annoying than someone who doesn't use correct phraseology. I'll always add an 'ing' onto their transmissions. I just find it polite and curtious to help out.
Rolls.........ING!
GG
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