Carriage of guns and ammunition on PVT flights
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So a rifle lashed to a wing strut is now OK?
All very silly really!
Unloaded, bolt out or trigger lock in - a rifle/pistol is no more offensive than a shifting spanner!
This nanny state crap just makes life difficult for the good guys. The bad guys generally don't bother following the rules!
Unloaded, bolt out or trigger lock in - a rifle/pistol is no more offensive than a shifting spanner!
This nanny state crap just makes life difficult for the good guys. The bad guys generally don't bother following the rules!
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I am with Forky. Nanny state.
One of my friends….my best friend from school, has been shooting since we were in primary school, scouts and cadets. I ceased shooting but he went on to pistols etc in his late teens. I talk to him about the various trips I have had to the USA over the years. He has never been. He often says he would love to experience the free world one day.
I should shout him a ticket!
One of my friends….my best friend from school, has been shooting since we were in primary school, scouts and cadets. I ceased shooting but he went on to pistols etc in his late teens. I talk to him about the various trips I have had to the USA over the years. He has never been. He often says he would love to experience the free world one day.
I should shout him a ticket!
A number of years back some pistol club mates went to the Pistol World titles in South Africa.
They checked in their pistols in Australia and had them tagged across the boxes with "unloaded firearms" and left them with security, with strict instructions to pick them up from the security office ASAP upon arrival.
They arrived in Johannesburg, went straight to the security office... they couldn't locate them anywhere.. filled out some paperwork then headed back to the baggage carousel to see the only thing left on there (apart from their bags), 12 pistol carry cases with "unloaded firearm" stickers affixed.
To think that nobody touched them, in Jonahhesburg!
Later that week their host went with them to a night club and walked through the metal detector with a 38 super pistol and a flick-knife. The security guard said he can't go in with those and he simply replied "try and stop me" and continued on in. I'd hate to try that in our nanny state! The SOG's would arrive in no time!
They checked in their pistols in Australia and had them tagged across the boxes with "unloaded firearms" and left them with security, with strict instructions to pick them up from the security office ASAP upon arrival.
They arrived in Johannesburg, went straight to the security office... they couldn't locate them anywhere.. filled out some paperwork then headed back to the baggage carousel to see the only thing left on there (apart from their bags), 12 pistol carry cases with "unloaded firearm" stickers affixed.
To think that nobody touched them, in Jonahhesburg!
Later that week their host went with them to a night club and walked through the metal detector with a 38 super pistol and a flick-knife. The security guard said he can't go in with those and he simply replied "try and stop me" and continued on in. I'd hate to try that in our nanny state! The SOG's would arrive in no time!
Once upon a time CAR 143 read differently and you could carry a firearm in a private aircraft just not in the cockpit and the ammunition had to be stored separately.
At some point they changed this law.
Apparently a forward firing mounted shotgun with a recoil absorbing slide assembly and head up sights with a remote trigger system is also illegal, so said the man with the funny wig anyway.
At some point they changed this law.
Apparently a forward firing mounted shotgun with a recoil absorbing slide assembly and head up sights with a remote trigger system is also illegal, so said the man with the funny wig anyway.
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A slight thread drift. But a few years back I knew a young guy who had either just got his CPL or was building hours for his CPL. The enterprising lad was "chartered" by a German tourist to do some aerial pig shooting in a rented C150.
Anyway CASA (probably was CAA back then) got him for a ramp check. Despite flying for hire and reward in a private aircraft, no low level approval, no door off supplement, and a well armed paying passenger, his great crime was flying without a current WAC chart and protractor!
Today he flies A320s!
Anyway CASA (probably was CAA back then) got him for a ramp check. Despite flying for hire and reward in a private aircraft, no low level approval, no door off supplement, and a well armed paying passenger, his great crime was flying without a current WAC chart and protractor!
Today he flies A320s!
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Now why am I thinking about the never ending story of the Regulations rewrite?
Taily's bush lawyer look at the draft reg quite correctly points out a loophole which any competent Barrister could drive a Road train through!
So, can a Pilot, flying his own aircraft from point A to point B carry his own Firearm in his personal baggage?
Any responsible firearms owner would ensure that the firearm itself is rendered temporarily unusable. In the case of a semi auto pistol such as a Beretta 92 he would remove the magazine, store that separately and fit a triggerlock.
The ammunition is also stored separately in a locked container, away from both gun and magazine.
So what's the answer?
Taily's bush lawyer look at the draft reg quite correctly points out a loophole which any competent Barrister could drive a Road train through!
So, can a Pilot, flying his own aircraft from point A to point B carry his own Firearm in his personal baggage?
Any responsible firearms owner would ensure that the firearm itself is rendered temporarily unusable. In the case of a semi auto pistol such as a Beretta 92 he would remove the magazine, store that separately and fit a triggerlock.
The ammunition is also stored separately in a locked container, away from both gun and magazine.
So what's the answer?
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The irony is that an owner of both the gun and aircraft flying themselves to and from anywhere, is equally safe having the gun, bolt or mag, and the ammo all in the same bag/case, sitting on the back seat of their 172.
No amount of silly rules and regs change that "state of safety" to anything safer.
A bit different if you have a plane load of dubious characters as well.
No amount of silly rules and regs change that "state of safety" to anything safer.
A bit different if you have a plane load of dubious characters as well.
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A bit different if you have a plane load of dubious characters as well.
But seriously, when I ran a hunting trip in the chieftain, guns went in the wing lockers, ammo and bolts in separate pelican cases in the nose. I understand that most S/E ac below 5700 wouldn't have the luxury of external baggage lockers.
The thing I always thought was a bit much was the dubious character from the local field office charging me bulk $$$ for a bit of paper that he made using a copy/paste function!
You're right about the nanny state stuff. Do you have to write to the road transport regulators to drive your guns somewhere? No. And I would bet dollars to doughnuts that flying them somewhere would be safer and more secure than driving. I am at a loss to even imagine why we need such a regulation/restriction?
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Quite a few of the guys who flew the BN2A's in TPNG some forty five years ago carried a loaded revolver in their flight bag. Came in very handy if one of the locals got a bit uppity in flight.
Seen a practical demonstration. Captain passes control to No2, and then with gun in hand pointing down the cabin states in pidgin "I will shoot the next barsteward that moves". Deathly silence.
Seen a practical demonstration. Captain passes control to No2, and then with gun in hand pointing down the cabin states in pidgin "I will shoot the next barsteward that moves". Deathly silence.
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Quite a few of the guys who flew the BN2A's in TPNG some forty five years ago carried a loaded revolver in their flight bag.
Well.....mine was a S&W semi auto.
Usually the pilot is the person of most dubious character on most private flights!
