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casa and atsb to be axed??
Will Mathius Corrman announce casa and atsb to be among the axed agencies??
If not, why not.
We can help him wth reasons for the axing of casa and atsb.
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If not, why not.
We can help him wth reasons for the axing of casa and atsb.
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Mathias Cormann confirms job cuts as government agencies face axe
Coalition to cull 175 government agencies on Monday, according to reports, in addition to 76 closed down following budget
• Joe Hockey says he will announce further cuts in Myefo budget review
Finance minister Mathias Cormann and treasurer Joe Hockey have said they will announce further budget cuts on Monday as part of the mid-year economic and fiscal outlook. Photograph: Mike Bowers/The Guardian Guardian staff and agencies
Saturday 13 December 2014 14.39 AEST
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The finance minister, Mathias Cormann, has confirmed there will be job losses across the public service amid reports the Coalition will axe 175 government agencies on Monday.
The treasurer, Joe Hockey, will release the mid-year economic and fiscal outlook (Myefo) on Monday, and economists say it could reveal a deficit for 2014-15 of more than $35bn.
The hit list of 175 agencies is in addition to the 76 closed down following the budget, according to reports. The total of 251 abolished bodies will save $539.5m over four years, News Corp Australia has said.
Cormann, confirmed there would be job cuts and would not rule out forced redundancies.
“We inherited a bloated public service from our predecessors,” Cormann told Sky News on Saturday. “If you reduce the number of government bodies, there will be an impact on jobs across the public service.
“What we will see is that as a result of our reform efforts so far, that the size of the public service will be back down to the same level as what it was in 2007, 2008. We think that’s appropriate.
“The goal is to ensure that the government is as big as it needs to be but as small as it can be.”
On Friday Hockey said the government faced the twin “headwinds” of iron ore prices falling to about $60 a tonne and a Senate blocking billions of dollars in budget savings.
This meant the deficit would be higher than in the May budget, when the forecast was for a $29.8bn shortfall, but the size of the rise would be “better than expected”, he said.
Hockey said the cuts would not have an impact on the economy.
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Cormann said cutting government jobs would provide some of those savings. “Part of our effort to repair the budget is to ensure that the administration and the operations of government are as efficient and as effective as possible.”
The agencies to be cut include the Australian government solicitor, with some of its staff transferred to the Attorney-General’s Department, News Corp reported.
It said the departments of health and education were named as two of the priorities for further work on streamlining the bureaucracy.
The abolition of 175 agencies would further damage the Australian economy at a time when it was already stalling, the opposition leader said.
“I think the federal government is in danger of stifling the confidence of hundreds if not thousands of jobs,” Bill Shorten told reporters in Brisbane on Saturday.
“Australia’s at a crossroads. We are narrowly reliant on our mineral sales globally to sustain Australia – the price of our minerals is falling.
“The last thing Australia needs now if we want to have growth in the future ... is for Tony Abbott to be killing jobs and killing confidence.”
Shorten urged the prime minister to use Monday’s Myefo to drop its “unfair measures”, including changes to university fees and cuts to pensions.
He rejected Cormann’s reasoning that the government had inherited a bloated public service.
“They’ve been in government for nearly 500 days now. When will Tony Abbott stop blaming everyone else and start accepting responsibility?”
Coalition to cull 175 government agencies on Monday, according to reports, in addition to 76 closed down following budget
• Joe Hockey says he will announce further cuts in Myefo budget review
Finance minister Mathias Cormann and treasurer Joe Hockey have said they will announce further budget cuts on Monday as part of the mid-year economic and fiscal outlook. Photograph: Mike Bowers/The Guardian Guardian staff and agencies
Saturday 13 December 2014 14.39 AEST
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The finance minister, Mathias Cormann, has confirmed there will be job losses across the public service amid reports the Coalition will axe 175 government agencies on Monday.
The treasurer, Joe Hockey, will release the mid-year economic and fiscal outlook (Myefo) on Monday, and economists say it could reveal a deficit for 2014-15 of more than $35bn.
The hit list of 175 agencies is in addition to the 76 closed down following the budget, according to reports. The total of 251 abolished bodies will save $539.5m over four years, News Corp Australia has said.
Cormann, confirmed there would be job cuts and would not rule out forced redundancies.
“We inherited a bloated public service from our predecessors,” Cormann told Sky News on Saturday. “If you reduce the number of government bodies, there will be an impact on jobs across the public service.
“What we will see is that as a result of our reform efforts so far, that the size of the public service will be back down to the same level as what it was in 2007, 2008. We think that’s appropriate.
“The goal is to ensure that the government is as big as it needs to be but as small as it can be.”
On Friday Hockey said the government faced the twin “headwinds” of iron ore prices falling to about $60 a tonne and a Senate blocking billions of dollars in budget savings.
This meant the deficit would be higher than in the May budget, when the forecast was for a $29.8bn shortfall, but the size of the rise would be “better than expected”, he said.
Hockey said the cuts would not have an impact on the economy.
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Cormann said cutting government jobs would provide some of those savings. “Part of our effort to repair the budget is to ensure that the administration and the operations of government are as efficient and as effective as possible.”
The agencies to be cut include the Australian government solicitor, with some of its staff transferred to the Attorney-General’s Department, News Corp reported.
It said the departments of health and education were named as two of the priorities for further work on streamlining the bureaucracy.
The abolition of 175 agencies would further damage the Australian economy at a time when it was already stalling, the opposition leader said.
“I think the federal government is in danger of stifling the confidence of hundreds if not thousands of jobs,” Bill Shorten told reporters in Brisbane on Saturday.
“Australia’s at a crossroads. We are narrowly reliant on our mineral sales globally to sustain Australia – the price of our minerals is falling.
“The last thing Australia needs now if we want to have growth in the future ... is for Tony Abbott to be killing jobs and killing confidence.”
Shorten urged the prime minister to use Monday’s Myefo to drop its “unfair measures”, including changes to university fees and cuts to pensions.
He rejected Cormann’s reasoning that the government had inherited a bloated public service.
“They’ve been in government for nearly 500 days now. When will Tony Abbott stop blaming everyone else and start accepting responsibility?”
email...immediate
Shall email forthwith the axe wielding Minister with examples (plural) of CAsA gross wastage of taxpayers dollars.
CAsA persons sling YOUR dosh around like drunken sailors, on travel and "investigations" that go nowhere and just create mayhem and great angst for the falsely accused
Standby Mathias !...incoming..
CAsA persons sling YOUR dosh around like drunken sailors, on travel and "investigations" that go nowhere and just create mayhem and great angst for the falsely accused
Standby Mathias !...incoming..
The entire CASA organisation should be closed and administration of aviation combined with Australian Maritime Safety Authority(AMSA).
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Give a contract to the NZ CAA? 
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Give a contract to the NZ CAA?
Replace them with an Aviation Department under an Aviation specific Director, as the head whip-cracker with the ability to hire and fire.
NOT an aviation ignorant "minister" protected by aviation know-nothing advisors/spin merchants and BS artists.
Have a mission statement to Foster and Promote Safety AND the Aviation Industry, to benefit the Nation and the common wealth.
Get rid of all this strict liability, criminal penalty bs for minor infractions.
Investigations into serious breaches to be undertaken by an independent body AFP, unallied to the regulator. Review panel for the nit picking 'chicken ****' stuff that some CAsA people thrive on.
CAsA cannot be trusted not to protect their own. And remember CAsA can turn a bee poo into a Mt Everest, no expense spared.
As in Canada, allow PVT pilots with Pvt aircraft to do most of/all of their own maintenance. RAA SAAA folk do that anyway and many a/c with numbers on them used to be VH...so what is the problem.? [the van and the white clad folk will be here in the morning !]
16 Furzer St , Fairyland. Cantberra is a giant trough in which the taxpayer-tit sucking time servers have welded themselves a place based on being able to smother ignorant politicians and ministers with the mystique of "safetY" and the fear of falling aeroplanes. And its worked wonderfully well. For them.
There has to be another way.
Fly safe ...and stay well clear of kindergartens.
NOT an aviation ignorant "minister" protected by aviation know-nothing advisors/spin merchants and BS artists.
Have a mission statement to Foster and Promote Safety AND the Aviation Industry, to benefit the Nation and the common wealth.
Get rid of all this strict liability, criminal penalty bs for minor infractions.
Investigations into serious breaches to be undertaken by an independent body AFP, unallied to the regulator. Review panel for the nit picking 'chicken ****' stuff that some CAsA people thrive on.
CAsA cannot be trusted not to protect their own. And remember CAsA can turn a bee poo into a Mt Everest, no expense spared.
As in Canada, allow PVT pilots with Pvt aircraft to do most of/all of their own maintenance. RAA SAAA folk do that anyway and many a/c with numbers on them used to be VH...so what is the problem.? [the van and the white clad folk will be here in the morning !]
16 Furzer St , Fairyland. Cantberra is a giant trough in which the taxpayer-tit sucking time servers have welded themselves a place based on being able to smother ignorant politicians and ministers with the mystique of "safetY" and the fear of falling aeroplanes. And its worked wonderfully well. For them.
There has to be another way.
Fly safe ...and stay well clear of kindergartens.
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Scroogee,
The NZCAA is miles ahead of Australia. If CAsA didn't combine the best bits of NZ CAA and FAA and call it 'part 61' we would be in a better place. Pick one and run with it, don't try and combine the two and then realise they contradict each other in certain points and throw your hands in the air because it's too hard.
I would love for CAsA to be sacked and Australia run with one or the other policy but not a combination of both.
RIP general aviation as it stands at present!!
The NZCAA is miles ahead of Australia. If CAsA didn't combine the best bits of NZ CAA and FAA and call it 'part 61' we would be in a better place. Pick one and run with it, don't try and combine the two and then realise they contradict each other in certain points and throw your hands in the air because it's too hard.
I would love for CAsA to be sacked and Australia run with one or the other policy but not a combination of both.
RIP general aviation as it stands at present!!
Because if they didn't, you'd have to have some other organisation with aviation expertise that did! Honestly, you blokes must live in Disneyland to think scrapping CASA will fix whatever problems you see with Australian aviation as it is.
Because we live in a so-called civilised democracy, things that happen have to be regulated in some way so people just don't do whatever the hell they want, and the paying public have some protection, and there's recourse to the law when things go wrong etc etc.
Whatever organisation ends up being given the role, it's going to be much the same because the industry isn't that big, there's not that many people to choose from when it comes to filling the regulatory jobs, the nature of the industry is such that who you know is at least as important as what you know, so even if you fired everyone in CASA tomorrow it'd be back just the same in a year's time.
Because we live in a so-called civilised democracy, things that happen have to be regulated in some way so people just don't do whatever the hell they want, and the paying public have some protection, and there's recourse to the law when things go wrong etc etc.
Whatever organisation ends up being given the role, it's going to be much the same because the industry isn't that big, there's not that many people to choose from when it comes to filling the regulatory jobs, the nature of the industry is such that who you know is at least as important as what you know, so even if you fired everyone in CASA tomorrow it'd be back just the same in a year's time.
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REMOVE THE TROUGH
Typical, a Dutchman managing our money, of course! If these politicians were serious then how about the following expensive items be removed from the Pollies, bureaucrats and other selected public servants, to help save our precious budget;
Comcare - Make these pricks pay for their own car purchase cost, fuel, rego, insurance and repairs/maintenance.
Superannuation - Give these pricks a lowly sum of less than 10% super like the rest of us, plus make them wait until aged 70 to collect it, LIKE THE REST OF US!
Salary - Pare their salary back to around $100k (just an average) like the rest of us.
Economy class travel - Again, make them travel just like the rest of us.
Benefits after politics - Remove ALL post political life benefits from them, including phones and air travel. It's a ******* joke. Ex PM's get a salary for life after they leave or get turfed out, of around $160k, plus a free driver, assistant, office including all expenses, phone, airfares driver and vehicle. This is an OUTRAGE. For how ******* long did we the taxpayer have to fund Whitlam??? Decades!! Hawke has been treated like royalty for years, and so the list goes on, it's outrageous!!
Allowances - Outrageously high 'away allowances' including money that can be used to pay off your own personal mortgage! Pigs!
Telecommunications - Phones, laptops, stationary, office supplies, all costing tens of thousands per year for each trough surfer.
Bonuses - Unlimited and out of control incentives and bonuses. REMOVE THIS NOW.
Education - These vermin won't provide adequate school funding or airconditioning in Queensland, yet they piss off overseas during winter and each spend tens of thousands on some bull**** folly of an 'education' trip which is actually just a holiday to a warm climate away from Can'tberra. (Or is that Neverland??)
This is just the tip of the trough. All the above ****e takes place while our livelihood and industry is being flushed down the ****ter. Australia a lucky country? HAHAHAHA. How about Australia one of the most corrupt, mismanaged, overpriced, highly taxed ****holes on the map
Comcare - Make these pricks pay for their own car purchase cost, fuel, rego, insurance and repairs/maintenance.
Superannuation - Give these pricks a lowly sum of less than 10% super like the rest of us, plus make them wait until aged 70 to collect it, LIKE THE REST OF US!
Salary - Pare their salary back to around $100k (just an average) like the rest of us.
Economy class travel - Again, make them travel just like the rest of us.
Benefits after politics - Remove ALL post political life benefits from them, including phones and air travel. It's a ******* joke. Ex PM's get a salary for life after they leave or get turfed out, of around $160k, plus a free driver, assistant, office including all expenses, phone, airfares driver and vehicle. This is an OUTRAGE. For how ******* long did we the taxpayer have to fund Whitlam??? Decades!! Hawke has been treated like royalty for years, and so the list goes on, it's outrageous!!
Allowances - Outrageously high 'away allowances' including money that can be used to pay off your own personal mortgage! Pigs!
Telecommunications - Phones, laptops, stationary, office supplies, all costing tens of thousands per year for each trough surfer.
Bonuses - Unlimited and out of control incentives and bonuses. REMOVE THIS NOW.
Education - These vermin won't provide adequate school funding or airconditioning in Queensland, yet they piss off overseas during winter and each spend tens of thousands on some bull**** folly of an 'education' trip which is actually just a holiday to a warm climate away from Can'tberra. (Or is that Neverland??)
This is just the tip of the trough. All the above ****e takes place while our livelihood and industry is being flushed down the ****ter. Australia a lucky country? HAHAHAHA. How about Australia one of the most corrupt, mismanaged, overpriced, highly taxed ****holes on the map
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How about Australia one of the most corrupt, mismanaged, overpriced, highly taxed ****holes on the map
To the subject though, being excessively politically correct and over regulated sadly gives us the Regulator that over regulates and is excessively politically correct.
One begets the other I feel.
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Jeez AOTW i hope you dont think CAsA is full of "experts"
This is just one of the problems..."johnnie come latelies" in CAsA with practically nil or zero experience at the coal face telling industry people with decades of experience, how they might go about their business.!!
Or FOIs who think they know best and their interpretation of the reg is the correct one..regardless. Or AWIs that dont even comprehend what they are looking at. Or "investigators" that dont investigate properly or at all but just cobble something up to fit the MO.
OK so there are some good and genuine people in the place, but they must keep their heads down because CAsA has most definitely deteriorated over the last 2 decades.
Excessive complex regulation does not make it any safer, nor does the punitive approach.
There has to be a cultural change in the CAsA way..if that's possible.
Justice instead of Justarse.
The rule of LAW instead of the law of rules.
Many /Or most of the results of the CAsA spend of mega millions ..the net result for aviation safety is NIX, NOUGHT SFA.
But the huge amounts of money have kept them in the manner to which they have become accustomed: the industry needs are secondary.
This is just one of the problems..."johnnie come latelies" in CAsA with practically nil or zero experience at the coal face telling industry people with decades of experience, how they might go about their business.!!
Or FOIs who think they know best and their interpretation of the reg is the correct one..regardless. Or AWIs that dont even comprehend what they are looking at. Or "investigators" that dont investigate properly or at all but just cobble something up to fit the MO.
OK so there are some good and genuine people in the place, but they must keep their heads down because CAsA has most definitely deteriorated over the last 2 decades.
Excessive complex regulation does not make it any safer, nor does the punitive approach.
There has to be a cultural change in the CAsA way..if that's possible.
Justice instead of Justarse.
The rule of LAW instead of the law of rules.
Many /Or most of the results of the CAsA spend of mega millions ..the net result for aviation safety is NIX, NOUGHT SFA.
But the huge amounts of money have kept them in the manner to which they have become accustomed: the industry needs are secondary.
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Mathius Cormann goes the laborials
The forllowing gives a breakdown of the state of the nation.
If mrdak is allowed to run interference, then we will have no meaningful change and without direct changes eg. Immediate removal of part 61, there will be no turning back from the disaste we otherwise face.
Is the aviation industry well served by it?s regulator and investigator in Australia | Assistance to the Aviation Industry
If mrdak is allowed to run interference, then we will have no meaningful change and without direct changes eg. Immediate removal of part 61, there will be no turning back from the disaste we otherwise face.
Is the aviation industry well served by it?s regulator and investigator in Australia | Assistance to the Aviation Industry
Jeez AOTW i hope you dont think CAsA is full of "experts"
My point is that if you replace CASA with something else, that something is going to end up pretty much the same as we have now because of the kind of society we live in.
We all think we could do better, but you're never going to get rid of the requirement to have enforceable rules vetted to within an inch of their lives by lawyers.
The line that CASA is running a conspiracy to kill aviation in Australia is just an excuse to have a whinge. I don't have any affiliation to CASA and I don't particularly like the way they write their regulations, but in the main I think they're just trying to do their job within the unavoidable constraints of the law.
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Jeez AOTW i hope you dont think CAsA is full of "experts"
No, but it's not exclusively full of no-hopers either, as people are suggesting here. Of course there will be good and bad people in that organisation, as there are anywhere.
My point is that if you replace CASA with something else, that something is going to end up pretty much the same as we have now because of the kind of society we live in.
We all think we could do better, but you're never going to get rid of the requirement to have enforceable rules vetted to within an inch of their lives by lawyers.
The line that CASA is running a conspiracy to kill aviation in Australia is just an excuse to have a whinge. I don't have any affiliation to CASA and I don't particularly like the way they write their regulations, but in the main I think they're just trying to do their job within the unavoidable constraints of the law.
Jeez AOTW i hope you dont think CAsA is full of "experts"
No, but it's not exclusively full of no-hopers either, as people are suggesting here. Of course there will be good and bad people in that organisation, as there are anywhere.
My point is that if you replace CASA with something else, that something is going to end up pretty much the same as we have now because of the kind of society we live in.
We all think we could do better, but you're never going to get rid of the requirement to have enforceable rules vetted to within an inch of their lives by lawyers.
The line that CASA is running a conspiracy to kill aviation in Australia is just an excuse to have a whinge. I don't have any affiliation to CASA and I don't particularly like the way they write their regulations, but in the main I think they're just trying to do their job within the unavoidable constraints of the law.
The bit about enforceable rules vetted to within an inch of their lives by lawyers I must take exception to. What we are currently seeing is a dogs breakfast of legislation which I suspect is partly due to CASA's desire to put itself as the arbiter of what it all means. That will not wash with the courts who have a distinct distaste for a lack of clarity in legislation.
A sometime poster to these pages wrote a submission to the Senate inquiry into CASA that I think was accurate. In essence, the regulator, which was formed out of the RAAF following WW2, has never understood general aviation. It is staffed at the senior levels mostly be ex-airline or RAAF people who just don't get what needs to be done to make aviation work at all levels. Hence the legislative push to follow the European model which has the same lack of understanding.
In the past the regulator was given a very muddled role in that it was to be both the regulator and promoter of aviation. It cocked that up and finally the government of the day grew some testicular fortitude to actually make a decision and told CASA that it was to be a regulator only. What they should have done as well was set out some clear policy guidelines for aviation but that has always been beyond government who don't understand the industry.
What should also be done is remove the prosecutorial power from CASA. The decision to prosecute should be solely one for the DPP after reviewing the evidence provided by CASA. At present CASA can use the AAT to remove a person's livelihood, something the AAT was never designed for. The features of the AAT make it totally unsuitable as a forum for actions to revoke a licence or AOC. You would never see a prosecution for a driving offence in the AAT, the same should apply to a flying offence.
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The Federal Government has hundreds of small "Boards" and "Tribunals" etc, often with only a handful of staff.
My guess is that these will just be merged into bigger departments. There is nothing new about this. Effectively these small organisations always got their budgets and policies from the big departments, and often shared office space anyway.
There has been a trend towards this anyway, and a lot of this consolidations has already been quietly done over recent years. I'd be surprised if there were 175 of these small operations left. Sounds good in the media though!
CASA and ATSB are too big with too discreet a function to be caught in this net.
My guess is that these will just be merged into bigger departments. There is nothing new about this. Effectively these small organisations always got their budgets and policies from the big departments, and often shared office space anyway.
There has been a trend towards this anyway, and a lot of this consolidations has already been quietly done over recent years. I'd be surprised if there were 175 of these small operations left. Sounds good in the media though!
CASA and ATSB are too big with too discreet a function to be caught in this net.
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