Go West, young man - or should it be North, South or East?

[Spotlight]

As on who was there 25 years ago (Ayres Rock), and another 6000 hours in Northern GA, the statement as put, that it was normal practice by operators to under record maintenance hours is unmitigated rubbish.

A kind view might be that the standard practice of using clock time (or a nominal .1 extra above tachometer time) for the log book has confused some people.

Under recording of maintenance hours, when it did happen was confined to fly by nighters from down south with cross hired aircraft,so as to rob the owner!
This almost always came unstuck when the aircraft arrived at a maintenance hangar for a 100 hourly falling to bits.

Infamously, a Robertson helicopter operator did try this on with his own fleet. Once suspected, CASA was spoiled for evidence with the simple expedient of cross referencing fuel bills, invoices for work and pilot log books. The ramifications were severe.

[Spotlight]

Jack
An opinion formed by stated experience! Your comprehension extends that far I'm sure.

[deadcut]

How many Aussies do you see flying in NZ we pondered? In the Links a few but in NZ GA you can count them on one hand. Also, when jobs are advertised in NZ it's perfectly clear its for Kiwis only.

And how big is the GA industry in NZ? Tiny.

Plenty of Aussies in the links. Are you a bit upset that some Kiwi got a job before you? Aw

[aileron_69]

From a personal perspective, I feel that it is a bit late to start thinking about getting a flying job after you have finished a commercial pilots licence. Well before you have even started your CPL subjects, I would have thought it prudent to get a job working somewhere in the aviation industry. Things such as Driving an ag plane loader, being a refueller, flight clerk, baggage handler, passenger loader, winchman, hangar bitch, etc etc are all things that not only give you a bit of an insight into the industry, but also give you contacts within that industry. When you come out of your CPL training, you hopefully will then have a few good aviation related references, and maybe even networked a few contacts to get yourself known. Being in the right place at the right time is definitely going to help, but you can tip the odds in your favour a bit so that it is you in the right place, not someone else. By waiting until after you have done your CPL, you are just wasting time and you are going to have to waste a lot of money keeping current so that when that job offer does come in, you can pass a check ride.

[aileron_69]

And if a Kiwi is getting a job ahead of you, then they must be doing something you aren't. Find out what that is, and do that. I doubt they are wanting to get paid less. Im a Kiwi, and I follow the $$.

[neville_nobody]

In my experience the tacho and airswitch on charter aeroplanes work just fine. You just don't use them as everything is done by clock times.

Yeah and you can reverse audit it all anyway. If people start cheating it isn't hard to get caught. Just comparing the MR against the logbook against the flight record against the fuel burn and you can pretty quickly see what's going on.

Things such as Driving an ag plane loader, being a refueller, flight clerk, baggage handler, passenger loader, winchman, hangar bitch, etc etc are all things that not only give you a bit of an insight into the industry, but also give you contacts within that industry.

Not sure about these days but I found it very difficult to get into these jobs when I was starting. Being a wannabe pilot is a big negative here and people rubbed me out just on that. It's even worse when you move up north and heaps of wannabe pilots are going for the same type of job. Lack of commitment to their job is one issue that they perceive. In that once you get a flying job you're outa there. Alot easier working in a pub/supermarket/restaurant and being a regular dude than trying to work in the industry, unless you are already qualified or transferring from a city position, that is.

[deadcut]

Being a wannabe pilot is a big negative here and people rubbed me out just on that

So why couldn't you omit that from your resume? Too easy. That's what I have done.

[pilotchute]

What they are doing that I'm not?

Hanging around at the flying school clocking up every rating they can before they leave (all on the taxpayer) and presto they have 400 hours instead of 200. Employer likes more hours in the book (cheaper premium) and guess who gets hired? He probably offered to fly for free anyway.

I have spent a lot time around Darwin, Cairns and Kununura and I can tell you there seem to be a lot more Kiwis willing to work for nothing than locals.

[deadcut]

(all on the taxpayer)

It's a loan... i.e you have to pay it back.

[pilotchute]

So if everyone is paying it back why is the NZ Govt going to stop you leaving the country if you haven't been paying?

NZ has over 750 million dollars in unpaid student loans! Guess where most of the non payers live? You guessed it. Aussie land.

[Judd]

Never mind tacho problems. Worse than that was new CPL lands first job up north and soon after reports to his boss that he is stuck on a remote station with failed ASI due blocked pitot tube and suspects wasp nests deep down. Boss says no problem - just fly attitude for the next few days until the 100 hourly comes up.

Total rubbish and libellous!!!

Not all chief pilots are Angels

[seneca208]

Never mind tacho problems. Worse than that was new CPL lands first job up north and soon after reports to his boss that he is stuck on a remote station with failed ASI due blocked pitot tube and suspects wasp nests deep down.

Standard interview question at most places when I was looking for my first job. Tough one to answer- fly it home or stay legal..

[Aussie Bob]

He must have flown it to know it wasn't working in the first place ...

[seneca208]

Originally Posted by Username here

If that's a hard question to answer then you shouldn't be allowed to operate a guide dog, let alone an aircraft....

I would've liked to think so too. Unfortunately, I can assure you that at certain NT operators, the correct answer is fly the aircraft back to the maintenance base.

[aileron_69]

Being a wannabe pilot is a big negative here and people rubbed me out just on that

This is what I am saying, you get these jobs before the licence. You might want to be a pilot, but you don't have a licence so you aren't going anywhere too soon. Once you have the licence, if the boss knows it, you will be perceived as someone that will bugger off at the first opportunity. Depending on the job, you might learn a lot about operational flying that will help you with your training and also when that first job does come along.