CASA, good luck controlling this!
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As a resident of this fine town I regularly observe VFR traffic transiting here......never ever ever as close to these buildings as that drone guy in the video, and I most certainly hope none ever do!!
Of course, that is why the operator of an unmanned aircraft has a duty to remain in sight of the aircraft they are controlling, since the see-and-avoid responsibility rests on their shoulders as much as for the pilot of any passing manned aircraft.
Andy_RR
Yes "See and Avoid" is a two way street. How would propose a UAV operator does this when it is debatable if he can see the UAV at more than 400ft? Yes I do have experience with RC aircraft.
And by CASA's own admission approval to operate in CTA >=400 ft and near an aerodrome with CTA is very unlikely.
Yes "See and Avoid" is a two way street. How would propose a UAV operator does this when it is debatable if he can see the UAV at more than 400ft? Yes I do have experience with RC aircraft.
Originally Posted by 404 Titan
If you want to operate an unmanned aircraft in CTA ≥400ft then you will have to abide with 101.070
If you want to operate an unmanned aircraft in CTA ≥400ft then you will have to abide with 101.070
Well, at least we're making some progress in reading comprehension here 404...
The technology and availability/affordability of these things are making them very difficult for industry to keep up with in terms of regulation and enforcement. The sh!t will hit the fan when a UAV has a midair collision with an aircraft which triggers an accident.
Tick tok............................................
Tick tok............................................
Andy_RR
This organisation that trains operators in the use of UAV's also doesn't agree with your interpretation of CASR 101.
CASR 101 – Are you flying your UAV legally?
This organisation that trains operators in the use of UAV's also doesn't agree with your interpretation of CASR 101.
CASR 101 – Are you flying your UAV legally?
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Was there not a model aircraft field right under the flight path at Tulla? Not the one near the thunderdome but one in Keilor park?
It's long gone now though
Yet nobody died...
It's long gone now though
Yet nobody died...
Was there not a model aircraft field right under the flight path at Tulla? Not the one near the thunderdome but one in Keilor park?
It's long gone now though
Yet nobody died...
It's long gone now though
Yet nobody died...
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. . . . ah . . Nutters . . ..
On QI last night they said how there are in England
a considerable number of persons called Nutter
and Daft
and Bottom
and Willie
. .. . of Drones . . not a word
On QI last night they said how there are in England
a considerable number of persons called Nutter
and Daft
and Bottom
and Willie
. .. . of Drones . . not a word
Andy RR, if by some remote chance I ever discover that someone such as you is operating a UAV close to where I am landing or taking off from, or in what could reasonably be described as the circuit for any form of landing area, registered or not., then you can save your legalistic argument for when you leave hospital.
To put that another way, I promise you I will do everything I possibly can to immediately disable the UAV, up to and including disabling its operator, if I reasonably determine that the operation is an immediate threat to safe aviation.
By way of explanation, and without wishing to go into specifics, there are a couple of aircraft operators near and dear to me who regularly fly from what I will loosely term "public open space" where it is quite possible that they may encounter such a hazard in future, especially if the UAV operator is untrained and with hare brained ideas about what is permitted.
To put that yet another way, if I see a UAV at the same time I can see a light aircraft then the UAV is too close and I will physically shut the UAV down. Three miles separation is about right.
I have had enough aviation scares of one sort or another that have taught me never to underestimate how stupid people will behave.
Furthermore if you actually looked at the regs, you will find it is an offence to even plan to fly close to a CTA boundary.
To put that another way, I promise you I will do everything I possibly can to immediately disable the UAV, up to and including disabling its operator, if I reasonably determine that the operation is an immediate threat to safe aviation.
By way of explanation, and without wishing to go into specifics, there are a couple of aircraft operators near and dear to me who regularly fly from what I will loosely term "public open space" where it is quite possible that they may encounter such a hazard in future, especially if the UAV operator is untrained and with hare brained ideas about what is permitted.
To put that yet another way, if I see a UAV at the same time I can see a light aircraft then the UAV is too close and I will physically shut the UAV down. Three miles separation is about right.
I have had enough aviation scares of one sort or another that have taught me never to underestimate how stupid people will behave.
Furthermore if you actually looked at the regs, you will find it is an offence to even plan to fly close to a CTA boundary.
Sunfish, Titan et al,
You can take the law into your own hands if you wish, but you won't get any backup from the magistrate, nor from me. To do so also is tacit approval by yourself for others to do likewise and you may not like the result!
There are regulations in place. Read them, understand and abide. If you don't like them then you are entitled to lobby to have them changed, but you can't stop people from enjoying their pursuits when it fulfills their regulatory obligations to do so.
None of these regulations diminishes the moral or legal duty of care to one's neighbor either.
You can take the law into your own hands if you wish, but you won't get any backup from the magistrate, nor from me. To do so also is tacit approval by yourself for others to do likewise and you may not like the result!
There are regulations in place. Read them, understand and abide. If you don't like them then you are entitled to lobby to have them changed, but you can't stop people from enjoying their pursuits when it fulfills their regulatory obligations to do so.
None of these regulations diminishes the moral or legal duty of care to one's neighbor either.
404:
Agree 100%, a simple scan of real estate ads shows that drone images are becoming common.
The simple fact of the matter is that you and I have a different interpretation of what UAV’s are. I contend most UAV’s aren’t predominantly used for the pleasure of flying them. I, in fact would contend almost all are used to pursue illegal activities. Where on the other hand almost everyone that flies model aircraft do it purely for the pleasure and challenge of flying them.
The transmission made by BN TWR was a blind transmission after a C172 operating near the story bridge had to take avoiding action when it almost collided with a drone he said to be about 1m square. The drone was operating without prior notice to ATC at 1000'.
Aroa, the difference between drone and piloted aircraft operations are that one type of mishap ends in serious injury or death, the other does not. The difference between drones and learner helicopter pilots is thus obvious.
I would have no qualms about drone operators if each transmitter was fitted with a shotgun shell that would fire at the operator if the drone crashed.
Failing that, I automatically classify drone operators as vicarious onanists whose only risk is to their chequebook or credit card.
They are not entitled to the same privileges as aviators since they don't risk life and limb.
I would have no qualms about drone operators if each transmitter was fitted with a shotgun shell that would fire at the operator if the drone crashed.
Failing that, I automatically classify drone operators as vicarious onanists whose only risk is to their chequebook or credit card.
They are not entitled to the same privileges as aviators since they don't risk life and limb.
Aroa, what is your hobby? Dropping bricks on cars from overpasses?
The fact is that a drone can down an aircraft and a drone can now be bought anywhere by any idiot and flown anonymously by anyone, possibly with illegal intent. Unless there are strict and obvious limitations placed on their use, backed up by long jail sentences, there will be trouble. It is not a question of "public airspace". Is a freeway a "public recreation" area? Drone operators should be licenced and the drone registered.
To put that another way, look at what the idiots did with Green Lasers???? What do you think they will do with drones if they remain freely available to the same bogans????
The fact is that a drone can down an aircraft and a drone can now be bought anywhere by any idiot and flown anonymously by anyone, possibly with illegal intent. Unless there are strict and obvious limitations placed on their use, backed up by long jail sentences, there will be trouble. It is not a question of "public airspace". Is a freeway a "public recreation" area? Drone operators should be licenced and the drone registered.
To put that another way, look at what the idiots did with Green Lasers???? What do you think they will do with drones if they remain freely available to the same bogans????
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I've stayed out of this so far, no actual skin in the game, as it were. But I have certainly considered buying one of these, as I enjoy making videos with a Gopro. It certainly adds a new dimension when you can do an aerial scan from a few hundred feet of a remote beach you are sharing with just a few other souls, or perhaps, when you are brave enough with the controls, getting an aerial perspective of that fighting sailfish , or the migrating whales passing by. To categorize all potential users as bogans and/or engaged in illegal activity is somewhat offensive , in fact. I am a PPL, and can certainly understand the arguments about sharing airspace, ie you just DON'T--but there is a legitimate recreational use for these, in appropriate places, with appropriate controls in place. I generally enjoy your posts, well written and insightful, but you crossed a line there, or were you just having a bad day and needed to vent?
We don't all live in the cities, and some of us have the space to operate these with no impact on others, and their often twisted view of their "rights" .
We don't all live in the cities, and some of us have the space to operate these with no impact on others, and their often twisted view of their "rights" .
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It's not people like you who everyone needs to worry about, it is the Bogans that Sunfish refers to that are or will be the problem.
The one's that live in a Egocentric bubble that revolves around them.
It's not people like you who everyone needs to worry about, it is the Bogans that Sunfish refers to that are or will be the problem.
The one's that live in a Egocentric bubble that revolves around them.
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Agree totally, there are a worrying number of people out there who think that everything exists for their own gratification and the hell with everyone else. No concept of risk, and it's all a big laugh. Or deserves a violent response if questioned. I veer between having hope for the future of mankind,and a faith in the basic good intent of most, and wishing for eugenics and forced euthnasia. I mostly keep these feelings to myself
I think Sunfish could maybe add a disclaimer, I thought it was OTT.
I think Sunfish could maybe add a disclaimer, I thought it was OTT.
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Yes, maybe (disclaimer).
Considering how many l@asers are in use by hunters and others,
it is the small percentage of Bogans as you describe them so well.
The issue is, as I have said before, is how to get the message across to the bogans.
Considering how many l@asers are in use by hunters and others,
it is the small percentage of Bogans as you describe them so well.
The issue is, as I have said before, is how to get the message across to the bogans.