Perfect Example Of CASA Outrageaous Behaviour?
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Bill
I can't even begin to describe how disgusted I am at what has happened to you. Going to make my contribution to the fighting fund now.
Good luck
UTR
I can't even begin to describe how disgusted I am at what has happened to you. Going to make my contribution to the fighting fund now.
Good luck
UTR
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The disgusting, hateful, ridiculous thing about this letter is that it does something no competent regulator should ever do. As such the letter is a final damning document that leaves no doubt in my mind that CASA needs major drastic surgery - and fast, or else anyone within that organisation that values their reputation is going to have to leave to avoid being besmirched with the same **** that covers this letter.
And what is the damning thing CASA has done that no regulator should ever do??
It has, by its own calculated and deliberate action, created more uncertainty.
Furthermore, since then it has done nothing to remove that uncertainty, which totally damns it in the eyes of anyone connected with competent public administration.
Make no mistake, the purpose of regulation is to remove as much uncertainty as possible from the conduct of human affairs and the last thing any regulator should do is increase it by its own actions, as CASA continues to do today and why it cannot be trusted to wield any of the powers it purports to have.
It is a disgrace, the letter proves it. Please Minister, take an axe to CASA starting right at the top, followed by the author of this letter and anyone connected with its creation or approval.
And what is the damning thing CASA has done that no regulator should ever do??
It has, by its own calculated and deliberate action, created more uncertainty.
Furthermore, since then it has done nothing to remove that uncertainty, which totally damns it in the eyes of anyone connected with competent public administration.
Make no mistake, the purpose of regulation is to remove as much uncertainty as possible from the conduct of human affairs and the last thing any regulator should do is increase it by its own actions, as CASA continues to do today and why it cannot be trusted to wield any of the powers it purports to have.
It is a disgrace, the letter proves it. Please Minister, take an axe to CASA starting right at the top, followed by the author of this letter and anyone connected with its creation or approval.
Ok the cynic in me is coming out.
According to the letter there is only one place in Aus to do a CAD test. Is there any connection between this establishment and CASA? You know what I mean...
According to the letter there is only one place in Aus to do a CAD test. Is there any connection between this establishment and CASA? You know what I mean...
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It's going to be a very expensive time for the insurers of pilot medicals. This will cost 100's of millions, I'm pretty sure these insurance companies won't stand by whilst CAsA pulls the medicals of competent medically fit individuals because of new research that is unfounded and unproven.
There are literally 1000's of CVD pilots piloting the globe.
In Emirates the CAD test is secondary to the ishihara plate test. The current CVD pilots in Emirates have been given a medical waiver on a grandfather right. Either there is a safety issue or not, you can not have safety and grandfather rights together?
In the USA, arguably the largest aviation regulator in the world, a more liberal view on CVD exists much like the last 25 years of CAsA in Australia. The US has 1000's of CVD aviators that add to the many millions of flight hours which have been accumulated globally. Not one accident attributable to CVD. Isn't that enough research to prove the theoretical research wrong?
The CAD test is just enough test to establish if an individual is CVD. I can't believe CAsA is taking such a strong line on a subject they just can't back with proven medical science, especially against a backdrop of a proven track record.
Frustrating
There are literally 1000's of CVD pilots piloting the globe.
In Emirates the CAD test is secondary to the ishihara plate test. The current CVD pilots in Emirates have been given a medical waiver on a grandfather right. Either there is a safety issue or not, you can not have safety and grandfather rights together?
In the USA, arguably the largest aviation regulator in the world, a more liberal view on CVD exists much like the last 25 years of CAsA in Australia. The US has 1000's of CVD aviators that add to the many millions of flight hours which have been accumulated globally. Not one accident attributable to CVD. Isn't that enough research to prove the theoretical research wrong?
The CAD test is just enough test to establish if an individual is CVD. I can't believe CAsA is taking such a strong line on a subject they just can't back with proven medical science, especially against a backdrop of a proven track record.
Frustrating
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Satyr's anonymous.
Sunny – understandable fury, totally justified in this instance. It would be bad enough if it was only this one issue, in isolation which had 'the treatment'; but it ain't. What you see here is only the shadow of the beast and you catch whiff of the rancid stench. This one is a tale told in public; there are worse, much worse aberrations which have been inflicted by 'supported managers' on pilots and operators. But they are artfully camouflaged under the mystique of safety and the multi handed strop-athon of 'prosecution by administration', supported by unrelenting persecution, even crucifixion, should the mood descend; (which it does quite often)...
I know how many Quadrio's there are out there; I wonder how many of the 'Bill Smith' tribe are wandering in the wilderness. One thing is certain sure; if 'we' allow this to go unchallenged, that which was corrupted by power will eventually become simply corrupt.
Selah.
I know how many Quadrio's there are out there; I wonder how many of the 'Bill Smith' tribe are wandering in the wilderness. One thing is certain sure; if 'we' allow this to go unchallenged, that which was corrupted by power will eventually become simply corrupt.
CR # 86 –"According to the letter there is only one place in Aus to do a CAD test. Is there any connection between this establishment and CASA? You know what I mean.."
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Dear Minister
Warren,
In 1987, the then CVD rules were successfully challenged in the AAT. In 1989, the Commonwealth facilitated and funded Denison as an AAT Test Case on the CVD rules.
The Commonwealth accepted the Denison outcome, consistent with its participatory and inclusive approach to the issue.
In the intervening period, zero evidence has emerged to challenge the safety of that decision. The recent actions of two of CASA's most obvious "dead men walking", ie the DAS and the PMO, are unconscionable and unsustainable on any available evidence, including that most tenuously described "research" of Watson.
You need to intervene.
You need to direct a "stay" on this change of policy. You need to direct that the previous policy be used to determine medical status pending a properly investigated change proposal. You can act decisively because there has been no change in the operational risk.
You need to do one of two things:
a. fund O'Brien's case in the AAT as a test case, including the provision of legal aid; or
b. vacate the AAT case and appoint a Government Inquiry that will independently examine the evidence and recommend Australia's future policy.
You need to act now.
Stay Alive,
In 1987, the then CVD rules were successfully challenged in the AAT. In 1989, the Commonwealth facilitated and funded Denison as an AAT Test Case on the CVD rules.
The Commonwealth accepted the Denison outcome, consistent with its participatory and inclusive approach to the issue.
In the intervening period, zero evidence has emerged to challenge the safety of that decision. The recent actions of two of CASA's most obvious "dead men walking", ie the DAS and the PMO, are unconscionable and unsustainable on any available evidence, including that most tenuously described "research" of Watson.
You need to intervene.
You need to direct a "stay" on this change of policy. You need to direct that the previous policy be used to determine medical status pending a properly investigated change proposal. You can act decisively because there has been no change in the operational risk.
You need to do one of two things:
a. fund O'Brien's case in the AAT as a test case, including the provision of legal aid; or
b. vacate the AAT case and appoint a Government Inquiry that will independently examine the evidence and recommend Australia's future policy.
You need to act now.
Stay Alive,
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VIPA condemns CASA's actions!
Well done VIPA 
VIPA Letter to John McCormick
Media Release: New Policy Discriminates Against CVD Pilots
VIPA Letter to John McCormick
18 June 2014
Mr John McCormick
Director of Aviation Safety
Civil Aviation Safety Authority – CASA
GPO Box 2005
Canberra – ACT 2601
By email: [email protected]
cc: [email protected]
cc: [email protected]
Dear Mr McCormick
Re: Colour Vision Deficiency (CVD)
I refer to your letter dated 5 June 2014 to AOC holders from Peter Fereday Executive Manager, Industry Permissions.
Your letter makes a number of dubious assertions including but not limited to:
VIPA is incredulous that at no stage has CASA sought industry engagement or stakeholder input into this decision.
Our membership views your directive of 5 June 2014 with dismay and we seek redress by way of public retraction.
As a consequence of your actions, we will be engaging with the wider community with regard to this CASA decision.
Lastly, and pertinently, with an Aviation Review calling for greater aviation engagement with the Regulator, we are certain that unilateral decisions such as these will have the opposite effect with the Virgin Australia and Tiger pilot groups.
If you have any queries or require any further information, please contact Simon O’Hara from VIPA on (02) 8203 3810 or [email protected]
Regards
Captain John Lyons
President
Mr John McCormick
Director of Aviation Safety
Civil Aviation Safety Authority – CASA
GPO Box 2005
Canberra – ACT 2601
By email: [email protected]
cc: [email protected]
cc: [email protected]
Dear Mr McCormick
Re: Colour Vision Deficiency (CVD)
I refer to your letter dated 5 June 2014 to AOC holders from Peter Fereday Executive Manager, Industry Permissions.
Your letter makes a number of dubious assertions including but not limited to:
- CVD Pilots adversely affect aviation safety;
- AOC holder’s should consider whether its safe to allow CVD pilots to continue to exercise flight crew privileges; and
- “recent medical research” involving the assessment of CVD.
VIPA is incredulous that at no stage has CASA sought industry engagement or stakeholder input into this decision.
Our membership views your directive of 5 June 2014 with dismay and we seek redress by way of public retraction.
As a consequence of your actions, we will be engaging with the wider community with regard to this CASA decision.
Lastly, and pertinently, with an Aviation Review calling for greater aviation engagement with the Regulator, we are certain that unilateral decisions such as these will have the opposite effect with the Virgin Australia and Tiger pilot groups.
If you have any queries or require any further information, please contact Simon O’Hara from VIPA on (02) 8203 3810 or [email protected]
Regards
Captain John Lyons
President
NEW POLICY DISCRIMATES AGAINST CVD PILOTS
New rules relating to colour vision deficiency (CVD) discriminates against hundreds of highly experienced pilots working in Australia’s major airlines, whilst failing to deliver any better safety outcomes, according to the Virgin Independent Pilots Association (VIPA).
After a review of the Civil Authority Safety Regulation Part 67 by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA), Class 1 pilots with CVD will have to inform their employers about their CVD and also “may” be forced to undergo a colour assessment and diagnostic test (CAD) in the future.
VIPA Executive Director, Simon O’Hara, said the move will jeopardise the careers of hundreds of commercial pilots with CVD across the country.
“Whilst VIPA always recognises that aviation safety remains paramount, we condemn CASA’s new procedures relating to CVD pilots,” Mr O’Hara said today.
“The fact is, there are hundreds of commercial pilots with CVD who have passed check and line training requirements and subsequently have thousands of hours flying without incident, who will be impacted by these restrictive practices.
“Their everyday performance is no different to their other pilot colleagues, yet they are being ruthlessly targeted.
“Our members are questioning if there is any real safety case for these procedures at all, CASA has introduced these without evidence of any incident or accident in which impaired colour vision could be attributed a causal factor.”
Mr O’Hara said VIPA supports an appeal lodged in the AAT by a CVD pilot against a refusal by CASA to permit him to become a Captain. CASA had used this pilot’s case to launch what amounts to a “de facto” appeal against the earlier AAT decisions which have allowed many hundreds of CVD pilots to fly with no restrictions at all levels of Australian aviation.
Mr O’Hara said VIPA continued to make representations to members of the Federal Parliament, on behalf of the hundreds of pilots with CVD.
New rules relating to colour vision deficiency (CVD) discriminates against hundreds of highly experienced pilots working in Australia’s major airlines, whilst failing to deliver any better safety outcomes, according to the Virgin Independent Pilots Association (VIPA).
After a review of the Civil Authority Safety Regulation Part 67 by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA), Class 1 pilots with CVD will have to inform their employers about their CVD and also “may” be forced to undergo a colour assessment and diagnostic test (CAD) in the future.
VIPA Executive Director, Simon O’Hara, said the move will jeopardise the careers of hundreds of commercial pilots with CVD across the country.
“Whilst VIPA always recognises that aviation safety remains paramount, we condemn CASA’s new procedures relating to CVD pilots,” Mr O’Hara said today.
“The fact is, there are hundreds of commercial pilots with CVD who have passed check and line training requirements and subsequently have thousands of hours flying without incident, who will be impacted by these restrictive practices.
“Their everyday performance is no different to their other pilot colleagues, yet they are being ruthlessly targeted.
“Our members are questioning if there is any real safety case for these procedures at all, CASA has introduced these without evidence of any incident or accident in which impaired colour vision could be attributed a causal factor.”
Mr O’Hara said VIPA supports an appeal lodged in the AAT by a CVD pilot against a refusal by CASA to permit him to become a Captain. CASA had used this pilot’s case to launch what amounts to a “de facto” appeal against the earlier AAT decisions which have allowed many hundreds of CVD pilots to fly with no restrictions at all levels of Australian aviation.
Mr O’Hara said VIPA continued to make representations to members of the Federal Parliament, on behalf of the hundreds of pilots with CVD.
Oz Aviation pick up on VIPA MR & DAS (STBE) letter.
VIPA labels new colour vision deficiency regs “discriminatory”
Item by australianaviation.com.au at 11:54 am, Thursday June 19 2014 Leave a Comment
The Virgin Independent Pilots Association (VIPA) says new rules relating to colour vision deficiency (CVD) discriminates against pilots already working in Australia’s major airlines, but will fail to deliver any better safety outcomes.
VIPA says a review of the Civil Authority Safety Regulation Part 67 by the CASA states that Class 1 pilots with CVD will have to inform their employers about their CVD, and that pilots may be forced to undergo a colour assessment and diagnostic test (CAD) in the future.
“Whilst VIPA always recognises that aviation safety remains paramount, we condemn CASA’s new procedures relating to CVD pilots,” VIPA executive director, Simon O’Hara said. “The fact is, there are hundreds of commercial pilots with CVD who have passed check and line training requirements and subsequently have thousands of hours flying without incident, who will be impacted by these restrictive practices.”
VIPA says it supports an appeal lodged in the Administrative Appeals Tribunal by a CVD pilot against a refusal by CASA to permit him to become a captain.
Item by australianaviation.com.au at 11:54 am, Thursday June 19 2014 Leave a Comment
The Virgin Independent Pilots Association (VIPA) says new rules relating to colour vision deficiency (CVD) discriminates against pilots already working in Australia’s major airlines, but will fail to deliver any better safety outcomes.
VIPA says a review of the Civil Authority Safety Regulation Part 67 by the CASA states that Class 1 pilots with CVD will have to inform their employers about their CVD, and that pilots may be forced to undergo a colour assessment and diagnostic test (CAD) in the future.
“Whilst VIPA always recognises that aviation safety remains paramount, we condemn CASA’s new procedures relating to CVD pilots,” VIPA executive director, Simon O’Hara said. “The fact is, there are hundreds of commercial pilots with CVD who have passed check and line training requirements and subsequently have thousands of hours flying without incident, who will be impacted by these restrictive practices.”
VIPA says it supports an appeal lodged in the Administrative Appeals Tribunal by a CVD pilot against a refusal by CASA to permit him to become a captain.
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VIPA,
profound thanks,
and not just for the CVD issue. Your submission to the miniscules inquiry was first rate, and a little surprising in the support you gave to your poor cousins in GA.
We in GA have sort of got used to being kicked in the guts by them who were lucky enough made it into the heady realms of RPT.
Many seemed to have forgotten their roots, where they got their start in this amazing life of being an aviator.
Thank you
profound thanks,
and not just for the CVD issue. Your submission to the miniscules inquiry was first rate, and a little surprising in the support you gave to your poor cousins in GA.
We in GA have sort of got used to being kicked in the guts by them who were lucky enough made it into the heady realms of RPT.
Many seemed to have forgotten their roots, where they got their start in this amazing life of being an aviator.
Thank you
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Warren,
In 1987, the then CVD rules were successfully challenged in the AAT. In 1989, the Commonwealth facilitated and funded Denison as an AAT Test Case on the CVD rules.
The Commonwealth accepted the Denison outcome, consistent with its participatory and inclusive approach to the issue.
In the intervening period, zero evidence has emerged to challenge the safety of that decision. The recent actions of two of CASA's most obvious "dead men walking", ie the DAS and the PMO, are unconscionable and unsustainable on any available evidence, including that most tenuously described "research" of Watson.
You need to intervene.
You need to direct a "stay" on this change of policy. You need to direct that the previous policy be used to determine medical status pending a properly investigated change proposal. You can act decisively because there has been no change in the operational risk.
You need to do one of two things:
a. fund O'Brien's case in the AAT as a test case, including the provision of legal aid; or
b. vacate the AAT case and appoint a Government Inquiry that will independently examine the evidence and recommend Australia's future policy.
You need to act now.
In 1987, the then CVD rules were successfully challenged in the AAT. In 1989, the Commonwealth facilitated and funded Denison as an AAT Test Case on the CVD rules.
The Commonwealth accepted the Denison outcome, consistent with its participatory and inclusive approach to the issue.
In the intervening period, zero evidence has emerged to challenge the safety of that decision. The recent actions of two of CASA's most obvious "dead men walking", ie the DAS and the PMO, are unconscionable and unsustainable on any available evidence, including that most tenuously described "research" of Watson.
You need to intervene.
You need to direct a "stay" on this change of policy. You need to direct that the previous policy be used to determine medical status pending a properly investigated change proposal. You can act decisively because there has been no change in the operational risk.
You need to do one of two things:
a. fund O'Brien's case in the AAT as a test case, including the provision of legal aid; or
b. vacate the AAT case and appoint a Government Inquiry that will independently examine the evidence and recommend Australia's future policy.
You need to act now.
Well said 4dogs.
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Sprinkler system – U/S.
While in the opposition – seems the shadow minister had lots to say and was very aware of 'standard' regulator behaviour.
Now as minister again, fully armed with knowledge from 2008, fully cognisant with the event mentioned above; and, now through the first class Forsyth review submissions, but now we don't hear so much as a peep. Mate, the bored is discredited, the administration is discredited and yet you allow the DAS and PMO sail on as though nothing has happened, at all - at all. Policy freeze until the new DAS is in the saddle; no other option really.
Now is a good time to back the Abbott election promises, also to speak out. Lets have an embargo on all major decisions and proposed actions until the new broom is operational and policy is defined. Oh, and please, put a muzzle on this Gibson fellahin; widespread projectile vomiting is being caused by excessive spin, the smoke has stopped the chooks laying; and Mum's vertigo is on the increase due to mirror dazzle. He knows he's peddling snake oil – we know he's blowing smoke. So, what's the point in persisting with the embarrassing farce.
Start chopping Warren, the rot has set in and if the tree hits the neighbours chook shed; don't say you weren't warned about the problem – again.
I appeared on the Channel Nine “Today show” where our present deputy Prime Minister The Hon Warren Truss stated on the "Today show” that the situation was the worst case of travesty of Natural justice from a Government Department he had ever encountered. At the time Warren was my local member, a personal friend and was the opposition aviation Minister.
Now is a good time to back the Abbott election promises, also to speak out. Lets have an embargo on all major decisions and proposed actions until the new broom is operational and policy is defined. Oh, and please, put a muzzle on this Gibson fellahin; widespread projectile vomiting is being caused by excessive spin, the smoke has stopped the chooks laying; and Mum's vertigo is on the increase due to mirror dazzle. He knows he's peddling snake oil – we know he's blowing smoke. So, what's the point in persisting with the embarrassing farce.
Start chopping Warren, the rot has set in and if the tree hits the neighbours chook shed; don't say you weren't warned about the problem – again.
This action by CASA stinks like it has originated from the moron in CASA that was responsible for the new "paperwork reducing" annual 8 page medical questionnaire that has most AMEs in this country and others rolling their eyes in disgust and dismay.
Have YOU had any "funny turns"?
Strewth...pillocks.
Have YOU had any "funny turns"?
Strewth...pillocks.
Back to the Dark Ages - Avmed efficiency
ramble:
For a classic example of Avmed steam driven efficiency at work..
..go no further than this recent 'merit review decision' by the (soon to be redundant..
) OAIC:
Barnes and Civil Aviation Safety Authority [2014] AICmr 53 (3 June 2014)
Hmm...it seems that Herr Skull couldn't swing any of the $89.9 million bucket over to the PMO's crew to buy a couple of PCs and hire some pimply faced IT nerd to scan/data entry all the flight crew files to an electronic database.
Hmm...maybe Herr Skull should also consider swinging some of the bucket money to Flying Fiend so he can hire a full time FOI lackey/research officer, certainly sounds like he needs some help...
As highlighted in many of the 269 ASRR submissions, is it any wonder that there is major delays on pilot medical renewals, the poor buggers at Avmed (& subsequently the FOI duo) are still scrabbling around with paper...FFS
MTF...
Ps Maybe there lies the solution BS, JO & CVD crew...just set fire to the basement of Fort Fumble..problem solved!
This action by CASA stinks like it has originated from the moron in CASA that was responsible for the new "paperwork reducing" annual 8 page medical questionnaire that has most AMEs in this country and others rolling their eyes in disgust and dismay.
Have YOU had any "funny turns"?
Strewth...pillocks.
Have YOU had any "funny turns"?
Strewth...pillocks.
..go no further than this recent 'merit review decision' by the (soon to be redundant..) OAIC: Barnes and Civil Aviation Safety Authority [2014] AICmr 53 (3 June 2014)
Hmm...it seems that Herr Skull couldn't swing any of the $89.9 million bucket over to the PMO's crew to buy a couple of PCs and hire some pimply faced IT nerd to scan/data entry all the flight crew files to an electronic database.
8. Following an exchange of emails about the second part of the request, on 8 February 2013, CASA advised Mr Barnes that three boxes of files had been retrieved from archives, which comprised of approximately 3,000 pages of information. CASA advised Mr Barnes that ‘searching for the Form 162 documents … would substantially and unreasonably divert the resources of CASA from its operations.’ CASA
26. The consultation notice issued on 22 March 2013, stated that CASA does not keep individual records of Medical Certificate payments and that its records system is adequate ‘to the nature of the documents’. CASA said that the filing system for the storage of the Medical Certificates:
Has resulted in 3 boxes of files totalling approximately 3000 pages of documents … searching for the Form 162 documents through these pages of documents would substantially and unreasonably divert the resources of CASA from its operations.
Has resulted in 3 boxes of files totalling approximately 3000 pages of documents … searching for the Form 162 documents through these pages of documents would substantially and unreasonably divert the resources of CASA from its operations.
If the forms are not located in these 3 boxes, then CASA will need to conduct further searches to identify other boxes which may contain the relevant forms. CASA stores forms such as the form 162 according to the date on which it is received. CASA received large amounts of such forms and other documents which are collated in batches and stored by reference to the date on which they were received.
… a practical refusal reason exists … because:
(a) The work involved in processing the request would substantially and unreasonably divert the resources of the agency from its other operations due to the large volume of documents that would need to be searched to locate the documents which are the subject of your request; and
(b) The administrative burden associated with your request is unreasonable having regard to the fact that you could be expected to have an independent record of the credit card payments made by you to CASA on your credit card statement.
… a practical refusal reason exists … because:
(a) The work involved in processing the request would substantially and unreasonably divert the resources of the agency from its other operations due to the large volume of documents that would need to be searched to locate the documents which are the subject of your request; and
(b) The administrative burden associated with your request is unreasonable having regard to the fact that you could be expected to have an independent record of the credit card payments made by you to CASA on your credit card statement.
28. CASA says that the filing system its uses for the storage of Medical Certificates consist of ‘bulk batches’ in which those documents are stored in approximate date order. CASA originally identified three boxes of documents covering the date ranges specified in Mr Barnes’s request. CASA did not explain what was involved in identifying and retrieving those boxes or how much time it thought would be needed to search those boxes for the relevant documents. During the course of the IC review, CASA undertook searches of seven boxes and said that this task took approximately ’12 hours’. CASA did not provide any additional information to indicate the time and resources it expected would be required to process the request.8
MTF...
Ps Maybe there lies the solution BS, JO & CVD crew...just set fire to the basement of Fort Fumble..problem solved!
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Aww... Jezz Sarksi,
Paperwork!!..and CAsA is complaining they cant find a file in a myriad of files.
Have you seen how much paperwork is involved in maintaining a simple, low end of the complicated scale, class A aircraft? Mate we are running out of room in the hangar storing the stuff, we'll be maintaining the fleet in the paddock soon. If we ever have a fire it'll burn for weeks!!
Then there's all the shelfware you have to produce, notwithstanding the Part A com with more pages than the bible ( That's because there are more reg's than the bible...and I thought we only had to comply with ten!
Then an FCOM, Part B, CTS for each aircraft...nothing less than 400 pages is acceptable, that's aside from the opening statement that regardless of what you put in it, the Flight Manual takes precedence ( So what's it For??)
Then part C which bastardizes a simple reg relating to maintaining flight standards into something that nobody could ever afford...fourteen pages of tick in the box "aeroclub Whalla" crap which ends up costing a company around twenty grand just to employ a pilot on a basic piston twin, close to thirty on a turbo prop, and fifty plus on a jet...regardless of their past experience or currency.
And all this bullsh..t is useful for is creating hangmans nooses to pillory you with at the next audit!!..no wonder people are reluctant to apply for Chief Pilot or Check and training positions, they a poison Chalices that can and do lead to the favourite CAsA branding.."NAFAPP...Not a fit and proper person? Okay I know don't mention the war, but didn't someone we went to war with, brand their undesirables with a tatoo before shipping them to the gas chambers.
Paperwork!!..and CAsA is complaining they cant find a file in a myriad of files.
Have you seen how much paperwork is involved in maintaining a simple, low end of the complicated scale, class A aircraft? Mate we are running out of room in the hangar storing the stuff, we'll be maintaining the fleet in the paddock soon. If we ever have a fire it'll burn for weeks!!
Then there's all the shelfware you have to produce, notwithstanding the Part A com with more pages than the bible ( That's because there are more reg's than the bible...and I thought we only had to comply with ten!
Then an FCOM, Part B, CTS for each aircraft...nothing less than 400 pages is acceptable, that's aside from the opening statement that regardless of what you put in it, the Flight Manual takes precedence ( So what's it For??)
Then part C which bastardizes a simple reg relating to maintaining flight standards into something that nobody could ever afford...fourteen pages of tick in the box "aeroclub Whalla" crap which ends up costing a company around twenty grand just to employ a pilot on a basic piston twin, close to thirty on a turbo prop, and fifty plus on a jet...regardless of their past experience or currency.
And all this bullsh..t is useful for is creating hangmans nooses to pillory you with at the next audit!!..no wonder people are reluctant to apply for Chief Pilot or Check and training positions, they a poison Chalices that can and do lead to the favourite CAsA branding.."NAFAPP...Not a fit and proper person? Okay I know don't mention the war, but didn't someone we went to war with, brand their undesirables with a tatoo before shipping them to the gas chambers.
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Imagine if we couldn't find a piece of paper for them? They would give us a NCN and threaten us with a show cause! Dip****s. Perhaps they need to start scanning the stuff into TRIM a little better, or better still they could surely adapt a program to their holy grail of software Sky Sentinel???
And Sarcs, nice to see Flying Fiend get a mention. We have missed his posts, what's the matter Flying Fiend, cat got your tongue? Dip****.
And Sarcs, nice to see Flying Fiend get a mention. We have missed his posts, what's the matter Flying Fiend, cat got your tongue? Dip****.
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So imagine you see a transaction on your credit card statement involving CASA. You don't know what it is (probably because you sent them a form for something 18 months ago, they only just got around to processing it and you've long forgotten what it was), and a phone call to CASA provides all the clues you'd normally expect from a phone call to Fort Fumble (none.)
You then ring your bank and dispute the transaction, because CASA can't explain why they hit your account. CASA then receives a retrieval request from their bank, meaning they have to go through all that poorly organised paperwork to find out what the transaction was for, and evidence that it was actually authorised by the cardholder.
If they come back empty handed, the bank takes the money out of FF's bank account and hands it back to you. Wonder how hard they'd look for the file when actual money is involved, rather than a mere FoIA request?
You then ring your bank and dispute the transaction, because CASA can't explain why they hit your account. CASA then receives a retrieval request from their bank, meaning they have to go through all that poorly organised paperwork to find out what the transaction was for, and evidence that it was actually authorised by the cardholder.
If they come back empty handed, the bank takes the money out of FF's bank account and hands it back to you. Wonder how hard they'd look for the file when actual money is involved, rather than a mere FoIA request?
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004, it's funny how certain information can't be found when it's inconvenient to casa! Or key documents not getting passed on despite being brought to their attention.
Some of their staff might be able to uncover it. Heard a rumour digging up embarrassing stuff is a bit of fun.
Some of their staff might be able to uncover it. Heard a rumour digging up embarrassing stuff is a bit of fun.
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Boy oh boy.
Oh boy; can't wait to hear the considered response to the excellent ABC coverage of the CVD issue. It was balanced, fair, to the point and very credible. Talk about the magnificent seven – the three guys calmly, quietly facing down overwhelming odds. - -
I reckon if Ppruners send an email out to their mates the ABC thing could go 'viral', in fact I think it's your duty, as fellow aviators to distribute the piece as far and wide as you can. Never again will there be an opportunity to demonstrate just how far from reality CASA has strayed and how the need for comprehensive reform is pressing and urgent.
Only to your ten best mates will do the trick – Whatdya say....
ABC – Link.
CVDPA - Link
I reckon if Ppruners send an email out to their mates the ABC thing could go 'viral', in fact I think it's your duty, as fellow aviators to distribute the piece as far and wide as you can. Never again will there be an opportunity to demonstrate just how far from reality CASA has strayed and how the need for comprehensive reform is pressing and urgent.
Only to your ten best mates will do the trick – Whatdya say....
ABC – Link.
CVDPA - Link
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can you believe this...
I had a phone call just a while ago. the CAsA working group and the Industry representatives working on the wording of the new legislation have no awareness that this CVD rubbish is occurring.
the chap I was talking to actually didn't believe me that this was occurring.
I was gobsmacked. nothing about the CAsA fcukwits surprises me anymore.
the chap I was talking to actually didn't believe me that this was occurring.
I was gobsmacked. nothing about the CAsA fcukwits surprises me anymore.