Do we mumble on the radio in Oz?
For some reason helicopter pilots are the worst offenders...... Something about moving and talking at the same time.
Seriously, I first ran across the speed fetish when dealing with artillery; "fimisson grid oneseveny blahblah" and its an affectation that is relatively harmless when both you and the intended recipient know what to expect from each other.
However if you are asking others to listen to your broadcast for the purpose of maintaining situatoinal awareness then some pilots are asking for trouble.
Seriously, I first ran across the speed fetish when dealing with artillery; "fimisson grid oneseveny blahblah" and its an affectation that is relatively harmless when both you and the intended recipient know what to expect from each other.
However if you are asking others to listen to your broadcast for the purpose of maintaining situatoinal awareness then some pilots are asking for trouble.
It was only local knowledge of the pilots that enabled the ATC to understand
"Partelisky" as Papa Hotel Whisky (Chucky), and
"Brartelform" as Bravo Hotel Uniform (Captain Crackers).
Both those pilots no longer in circulation.
"Partelisky" as Papa Hotel Whisky (Chucky), and
"Brartelform" as Bravo Hotel Uniform (Captain Crackers).
Both those pilots no longer in circulation.
Folks,
What Cynical has hit on is that, by and large, Australian domestic "professional" pilots do not communicate, they perform radio procedures, largely for the purpose of having a "tick in the box".
This is largely as a result of Australian "training", I often hear the expression "radio work" --- with nary a glimmer of understanding that it should be about communications. Compliance is all, whether other airspace users understand or not doesn't seem to matter.
Apart from that, Australians on the radio ( and generally) talk far too fast and do not enunciate clearly --- running words together, as already mentioned.
Tootle pip!!
What Cynical has hit on is that, by and large, Australian domestic "professional" pilots do not communicate, they perform radio procedures, largely for the purpose of having a "tick in the box".
This is largely as a result of Australian "training", I often hear the expression "radio work" --- with nary a glimmer of understanding that it should be about communications. Compliance is all, whether other airspace users understand or not doesn't seem to matter.
Apart from that, Australians on the radio ( and generally) talk far too fast and do not enunciate clearly --- running words together, as already mentioned.
Tootle pip!!
The worst thing on the radio by a country mile though is people doing RNAV approaches into CTAFs and giving their calls by relation to a series of letters. How is Joe Bloggs in his 172 doing circuit training going to not what on Earth Captain Embraer is doing?
Pilots who wish to conduct practice instrument approaches in VMC conditions should be particularly alert for other aircraft in the circuit so as to avoid impeding the flow of traffic.
IFR pilots should give position reports in plain English to be easily understood by VFR pilots who generally have no knowledge of IFR approach points or procedures, e.g. positions should include altitudes and distance and direction from the aerodrome.
Providing position reports to VFR pilots that contain outbound/inbound legs of the approach or RNAV fixes will generally be of little assistance to establish traffic separation.
IFR pilots should give position reports in plain English to be easily understood by VFR pilots who generally have no knowledge of IFR approach points or procedures, e.g. positions should include altitudes and distance and direction from the aerodrome.
Providing position reports to VFR pilots that contain outbound/inbound legs of the approach or RNAV fixes will generally be of little assistance to establish traffic separation.
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Someone should let the Roulettes know that 
26 DME East Sale on the 314 radial doesn't mean much to the local trike pilots
At 200+ knots by the time they work out what leader said, they are long gone.
26 DME East Sale on the 314 radial doesn't mean much to the local trike pilots
At 200+ knots by the time they work out what leader said, they are long gone.
Who better qualified to say G'day than an Aussie??
Seriously, though, the people who use the phrase "With You" really need to realise that it isn't even standard phraseology in the FAA system!
Seriously, though, the people who use the phrase "With You" really need to realise that it isn't even standard phraseology in the FAA system!
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We aren't all that bad. I even received a compliment once, but then again I used to be a regular guest on my friends radio show so had the "voice" down pat.
I changed my ways when I recalled as a kid I used to listen in on the scanners trying to learn the procedures. So now when I press that Tx button I think of this special audience and speak as clearly and as professionally as I can.
I changed my ways when I recalled as a kid I used to listen in on the scanners trying to learn the procedures. So now when I press that Tx button I think of this special audience and speak as clearly and as professionally as I can.
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Admirable, CT. I can't claim anything as exalted as professional radio training but a geeky youth spent in HF ham radio helped me get the intelligibility quotient up a little bit. At least in the GA environment, I think we're just OK in Australia. The place that impressed me most was South Africa: in the areas I flew, everyone was particularly crisp and professional, and it was clear no nonsense was tolerated.
As LeadSled says though, it's ultimately about getting the message across. We may have a quiet chuckle about some clunky technique or poor diction but, in the end, much better that they have a go and let you know they're out there. I must say that I haven't found the US GA scene very different to Australia. No doubt the locals know they have a foreign devil on their hands but it's all pretty easy to work out.
(Tucson Tower instructing "Y'all mind the F14s mid-field" some years ago gave pause for thought but no drama...although my "traffic sighted" caused them some obvious amusement).
Still, like others here I have a few local pet hates. After several years in WA, I suppose the place that they do the para-jumping is "Brookton". But listening to Centre and the locals, I still can't pick it in the transmissions. For years I was looking from somewhere like "Brooklyn" but, by practicing swallowing a consonant or two, I think I've worked it out.
As LeadSled says though, it's ultimately about getting the message across. We may have a quiet chuckle about some clunky technique or poor diction but, in the end, much better that they have a go and let you know they're out there. I must say that I haven't found the US GA scene very different to Australia. No doubt the locals know they have a foreign devil on their hands but it's all pretty easy to work out.
(Tucson Tower instructing "Y'all mind the F14s mid-field" some years ago gave pause for thought but no drama...although my "traffic sighted" caused them some obvious amusement).
Still, like others here I have a few local pet hates. After several years in WA, I suppose the place that they do the para-jumping is "Brookton". But listening to Centre and the locals, I still can't pick it in the transmissions. For years I was looking from somewhere like "Brooklyn" but, by practicing swallowing a consonant or two, I think I've worked it out.
way back in army days, we played the gam e of sending a message around the room. The garbelling was wonderful to see..
The classic joke: "send three and fourpence, we are going to a dance" anyone military will remember the original message.
The classic joke: "send three and fourpence, we are going to a dance" anyone military will remember the original message.
Tee Emm said
'Just a shame that they have copied what just about every other international pilot does with good mornings, good afternoons, giddays, good evenings, see youse laters, thanks very much's as well as superfluous reading back of items not required to be read back.'
G'dAy
What is wrong with saying hello and thankyou to someone in centre or in a tower?
Surely that is just common courtesy?
Although I did work with one rooster who used to insisit on saying "a very good morning" to an empty ctaf. Now that was odd!
On another note, how does one copy someone elses phrase so it comes up in blue?
Thanks
'Just a shame that they have copied what just about every other international pilot does with good mornings, good afternoons, giddays, good evenings, see youse laters, thanks very much's as well as superfluous reading back of items not required to be read back.'
G'dAy
What is wrong with saying hello and thankyou to someone in centre or in a tower?
Surely that is just common courtesy?
Although I did work with one rooster who used to insisit on saying "a very good morning" to an empty ctaf. Now that was odd!
On another note, how does one copy someone elses phrase so it comes up in blue?
Thanks
What is wrong with saying hello and thankyou to someone in centre or in a tower?
Surely that is just common courtesy?
Surely that is just common courtesy?
Seriously, cut the cackle when the frequency is busy (which is now never at YSBK), but if it's quiet, what's the harm.
Tootle pip!!
PS: What with "professional", there is no differentiation between communications procedures for "professionals" and others, and some of the worst examples of poor communications are from working commercial pilots, who undoubtedly style themselves as "professional" because they have a CPL or higher license.
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*big inhale*
GreatthreadIdon'tthinkit'sveryonebutwesuredohaveafewwhomumbl eontheradionottomentiontheoneswhorunonwithonebiglongsentence thankGodtheyarenotATC's!! *big exhale*
GreatthreadIdon'tthinkit'sveryonebutwesuredohaveafewwhomumbl eontheradionottomentiontheoneswhorunonwithonebiglongsentence thankGodtheyarenotATC's!! *big exhale*
The classic joke: "send three and fourpence, we are going to a dance" anyone military will remember the original message.
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XXX,
You are joking right??? A radial and range too hard for a pilot to understand??
I didn't check the date you posted, so if it was 1st April, you got me!!
You are joking right??? A radial and range too hard for a pilot to understand??
I didn't check the date you posted, so if it was 1st April, you got me!!
Something like 5 miles west of Maffra might be the go for local ops.
Something like 5 miles west of Maffra might be the go for local ops.
I can imagine the knucklehead pulling out his electronic Gregorys on his phone to find landmarks that car (oops trike) drivers can understand...
Something like 5 miles west of Maffra might be the go for local ops.
Speaking of inbound to CTAFs I've heard students who are so caught up about making the "mandatory" calls found in the CAAPs that if they miss the 10 mile call by a minute will still say "10 miles" rather than 8 as they are scared they will get in trouble!!
