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Interesting post Safety Matters
I notice your web site is hosted in the British Virgin Islands.
Is that so you can avoid a libel suite.
Just a word of advice, in the State of SA your publishing of this material is covered under their libel laws.
It isn't just the person you can libel, but companies can also be libelled and seek court redress.
I should know, I fought an action where I was like you the publisher. it cost me $500,000 right up to the high court.
I also suspect a hidden agenda in your actions here. Are you by any chance a CASA person????
Not just libel, I suspect. Might be a breach of copyright to consider, too.
Dow Jones v Gutnick applies in defamation by publishing on the internet... So any comment on the website deemed defamatory would ground an action here in Australia. Pprune would probably itself be sufficient evidence for this purpose.
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I notice your web site is hosted in the British Virgin Islands.
Is that so you can avoid a libel suite.
Just a word of advice, in the State of SA your publishing of this material is covered under their libel laws.
It isn't just the person you can libel, but companies can also be libelled and seek court redress.
I should know, I fought an action where I was like you the publisher. it cost me $500,000 right up to the high court.
I also suspect a hidden agenda in your actions here. Are you by any chance a CASA person????
Not just libel, I suspect. Might be a breach of copyright to consider, too.
Dow Jones v Gutnick applies in defamation by publishing on the internet... So any comment on the website deemed defamatory would ground an action here in Australia. Pprune would probably itself be sufficient evidence for this purpose.
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The potential libel is the photograph.
A person with a conviction for an offence of dishonestly is going to sue someone for showing a presumably unaltered photograph of himself drinking from a bottle. Where were all you top lawyers when this offender was prosecuted for an offence of dishonesty and had his CoA cancelled?Dow Jones v Gutnick has nothing to do with whether this particular photograph is libellous.
Isn't there a defence that the plaintiff is incapable of further defamation - perhaps someone seen in a photograph drinking from a bottle on a website listing their offence of dishonesty and the cancellation of their CoA would be seen in that light.
And the defence of fair comment on a matter of public interest?
A reasonable person could think he is drinking beer.
Let me know when this offender actually wins the defamation case and I'll happily admit being wrong, but for now, I'm pretty glad the website is there...
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Jeez, a lot of work went into setting up that website safetymatters!
Could be either a CAsA employee, a competitor or a disgruntled employee or client. Either way somebody has some spare time and a deep desire to ensure that Mr Shaw looks like ****, right or wrong!
Amazing stuff, seen everything now.....
Could be either a CAsA employee, a competitor or a disgruntled employee or client. Either way somebody has some spare time and a deep desire to ensure that Mr Shaw looks like ****, right or wrong!
Amazing stuff, seen everything now.....
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Glad to know.
How interesting.
Obviously Shaw has some mates out there who are not interested in facts.
One of CASAs biggest problems is that they are not transparent. Transparency would solve most of their problems, as well as most of the industries problems with them. Nothing like being accountable for ones actions. They need to take a leaf from the US or Canadian system where crooks like Shaw would be put up in lights for everyone to see. It would then be 'game over'. Its only because CASA keeps stuff like this in the dark that blokes like Shaw survive in aviation. Obviously from the information on the web page this bloke is a shonk and CASA is trying to out him. Good on whoever had the guts to put that page up. Fair enough, Good cop.
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Obviously Shaw has some mates out there who are not interested in facts.
One of CASAs biggest problems is that they are not transparent. Transparency would solve most of their problems, as well as most of the industries problems with them. Nothing like being accountable for ones actions. They need to take a leaf from the US or Canadian system where crooks like Shaw would be put up in lights for everyone to see. It would then be 'game over'. Its only because CASA keeps stuff like this in the dark that blokes like Shaw survive in aviation. Obviously from the information on the web page this bloke is a shonk and CASA is trying to out him. Good on whoever had the guts to put that page up. Fair enough, Good cop.
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Well who is to know the truth. I've been in a court case used as an expert witness. Then have casa raise an objection that I was a hostile witness and tried to have me removed before I could give evidence. When I was in the box I caught casa out lying on more than one occasion. We won the case still cost my mate $30k to defend himself.
Casa is not an honest department. We can only hope that there will be a senate investigation into how they conduct them self's.
Remember this DAMP because this will be in the headlines very soon.
Casa is not an honest department. We can only hope that there will be a senate investigation into how they conduct them self's.
Remember this DAMP because this will be in the headlines very soon.
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All the links refer to offences that seem to have happened prior to 2008 a long time ago, besides the AAT. Glen worked for Darling Downs Aviation at that time not Dalby Air. Thomson was the manager while all this supposedly happened. Glen and Ross look after the Darling Downs Aviation fleet for 8 years. Seems strange that they turned criminal only after they left Darling Downs Aviation employment and 8 years is a long time to not notice your employing criminals.
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Fair enough comment. Why didn't they? Because the CASA operations model is fundamentally flawed. They are the police, judge, jury and executioner. How the hell do you expect the 'family' to do in their own. Never going to happen.
Well, I know a bit about THAT too. It WAS a smart move. Why, because in all likely hood Sandora would have been following DAM to the AAT if they had not had the sense to close, which by the way plenty of their 'customers' were fully in favour of doing. And where did the Chief engineer from Sandora go?? to DAM! Now, as you say, "smell a rat"?
OZBUSDRIVER
Go read the transcript again. It says this: "Because I take the view that the applicant's disregard of the requirements of the stay so clearly demonstrates an absence of fitness and propriety I do not intend to deal with the vast array of evidence that touches upon the other allegations made by the respondent even though I am clearly of the view that those matters also demonstrate egregious breaches of the applicant's duty and that the applicant is not a fit and proper person."
DAM182
Yea, good one DAM182.
I'm with you Jaba:
"If they were seriously outright dodgey and dangerous, fair enough close them down. but at the same time sack....yes SACK without any entitlements ALL the folk responsible for them being that way retrospectively as far back as you can trace".
"Why did Sandora close............THAT I know a bit about (smart move), why did Flinders Aviation have what was the best punch up in a long time? Why will CASA do all but formally apologise? I wish they would. I really do. If you knew the truth on these matters (and many here on PPRuNe do) you would not be so quick to criticise my albeit assumption, that this is another sledge hammer on a thumb tack".
OZBUSDRIVER
"When the AAT uses the term "Egregious"....I was expecting a grievous act of malpractice on the repair and/or maintenance on the part of the principle...but a piece of paper not handed in in a timely manner???? Timely? An hour, a day, a week, 28days?. Bizarre!"
DAM182
"All the links refer to offences that seem to have happened prior to 2008 a long time ago, besides the AAT. Glen worked for Darling Downs Aviation at that time not Dalby Air. Thomson was the manager while all this supposedly happened. Glen and Ross look after the Darling Downs Aviation fleet for 8 years. Seems strange that they turned criminal only after they left Darling Downs Aviation employment and 8 years is a long time to not notice your employing criminals."
I'm with you Jaba:
"Bottom line. If CASA did their job right, none of this BS would happen.
End of argument".
End of argument".
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The engineers and so forth at DAM were not the issue.
Old mate decided NOT to follow a CASA directive.
Doesn't reflect on his ability as a LAME, only whether he is FIt and Proper ....
Appears CASA may have been doing their job, he just decided to use his way.
Agreed, the crew from Brisbane seemed to contradict all previous audits on CAR30 organisations across western Queensland.
Old mate decided NOT to follow a CASA directive.
Doesn't reflect on his ability as a LAME, only whether he is FIt and Proper ....
Appears CASA may have been doing their job, he just decided to use his way.
Agreed, the crew from Brisbane seemed to contradict all previous audits on CAR30 organisations across western Queensland.
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"Fair enough comment. Why didn't they? Because the CASA operations model is fundamentally flawed. They are the police, judge, jury and executioner. How the hell do you expect the 'family' to do in their own. Never going to happen"
Well you as in CASA have changed everything around so much now as a LAME we have no idea what's up and what's down, you @&@( the AD system so you cant be held responsible and as for police your not the police, You enforce that privilege onto the LAME at a free to cost to you.
Then you jump on the LAME for not following the rules that you cant follow anyway cause you keep changing the rules. Bring on a royal commission lets see how many of you are left standing after that. You sit behind CASA making your own rules and use there protection and go after people and cost them money trying to protect them self's while you let others off.
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C%^&% against safe aviation
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"Fair enough comment. Why didn't they? Because the CASA operations model is fundamentally flawed. They are the police, judge, jury and executioner. How the hell do you expect the 'family' to do in their own. Never going to happen"
Well you as in CASA have changed everything around so much now as a LAME we have no idea what's up and what's down, you @&@( the AD system so you cant be held responsible and as for police your not the police, You enforce that privilege onto the LAME at a free to cost to you.
Then you jump on the LAME for not following the rules that you cant follow anyway cause you keep changing the rules. Bring on a royal commission lets see how many of you are left standing after that. You sit behind CASA making your own rules and use there protection and go after people and cost them money trying to protect them self's while you let others off.
CASA
C%^&% against safe aviation
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Dalby Air Maintenance are still a good operation IMHO.
Nicest bunch of people you could hope to meet. Salt of the Earth, western Queensland people, honest as the day is long in Antarctica in midsummer. Competent and efficient. I'm pleased to know them.
So where are the aircraft that are falling out of the sky due to Dalby Air Maintenance? That is, after all, the aim of all the airworthiness regulations isn't it? Not having aircraft fall out of the sky due to bad or faulty maintenance?
The damplanefacts.com website seems to be a coward's castle. Some anonymous coward casting aspersions without identifying him or herself. Nice. Says more about the person running that website than DAM. None of it good IMO.
I'll remind everyone that the Criminal Justice System is aptly named. The clue is right there in the name. In many cases your legal advice will be to plead guilty as it will cost you less.
NEVER go to the AAT. A complete WOFTAM. A bunch of public servants sitting in judgement on the actions of other public servants. As if any ordinary citizen is going to get a look in. Might be nice to have an AAT which comprised of ordinary citizens selected as for jury duty (no government employees or government service retirees allowed).
Nicest bunch of people you could hope to meet. Salt of the Earth, western Queensland people, honest as the day is long in Antarctica in midsummer. Competent and efficient. I'm pleased to know them.
So where are the aircraft that are falling out of the sky due to Dalby Air Maintenance? That is, after all, the aim of all the airworthiness regulations isn't it? Not having aircraft fall out of the sky due to bad or faulty maintenance?
The damplanefacts.com website seems to be a coward's castle. Some anonymous coward casting aspersions without identifying him or herself. Nice. Says more about the person running that website than DAM. None of it good IMO.
I'll remind everyone that the Criminal Justice System is aptly named. The clue is right there in the name. In many cases your legal advice will be to plead guilty as it will cost you less.
NEVER go to the AAT. A complete WOFTAM. A bunch of public servants sitting in judgement on the actions of other public servants. As if any ordinary citizen is going to get a look in. Might be nice to have an AAT which comprised of ordinary citizens selected as for jury duty (no government employees or government service retirees allowed).
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Eyrie, I wonder why you aren't putting your details up in lights on this site, and identifying yourself? Maybe you're just a good ole coward/hypocrite aye?
I'm pleased you know them, (DAM). You obviously don't know them as well as the Qld police Major Fraud squad or CASA, who spent upwards of $1mill trying to rid the aviation community of these 'good to know' people. The fact that they were only partially successful does support your comments re the criminal justice system. What system is just when it costs so much to demonstrate the culpability of these sort of people and expose them?
The facts are that aircraft maintained by DAM HAVE fallen out of the skies, and others HAVE had serious life threatening emergencies after being serviced by DAM. And then there's the fraud and dishonesty established in the criminal courts and the AAT.
Wonder why I am able to make this categorical statement? Because it is true. I invite you or anyone else in the 'know' to get a court order so that you can sue me for defamation. You are at best ignorant, but also a fool by ignoring the known facts.
The damplanefacts.com website makes no commentary. It contains a record that impeccably spells out the proven facts. That, unlike your post, is not opinion.
BP
I'm pleased you know them, (DAM). You obviously don't know them as well as the Qld police Major Fraud squad or CASA, who spent upwards of $1mill trying to rid the aviation community of these 'good to know' people. The fact that they were only partially successful does support your comments re the criminal justice system. What system is just when it costs so much to demonstrate the culpability of these sort of people and expose them?
The facts are that aircraft maintained by DAM HAVE fallen out of the skies, and others HAVE had serious life threatening emergencies after being serviced by DAM. And then there's the fraud and dishonesty established in the criminal courts and the AAT.
Wonder why I am able to make this categorical statement? Because it is true. I invite you or anyone else in the 'know' to get a court order so that you can sue me for defamation. You are at best ignorant, but also a fool by ignoring the known facts.
The damplanefacts.com website makes no commentary. It contains a record that impeccably spells out the proven facts. That, unlike your post, is not opinion.
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"Eyrie, I wonder why you aren't putting your details up in lights on this site, and identifying yourself? Maybe you're just a good ole coward/hypocrite aye?"
sez "bush pelican" LOL! Maybe I use a nom de web for the same reason as 99% of the other posters on this site, including you.
"The facts are that aircraft maintained by DAM HAVE fallen out of the skies, and others HAVE had serious life threatening emergencies after being serviced by DAM."
Better start giving chapter and verse then hadn't you?
Why do I get the impression that "bush pelican" and the bloke running the damplanefacts.com website are one and the same?
sez "bush pelican" LOL! Maybe I use a nom de web for the same reason as 99% of the other posters on this site, including you.
"The facts are that aircraft maintained by DAM HAVE fallen out of the skies, and others HAVE had serious life threatening emergencies after being serviced by DAM."
Better start giving chapter and verse then hadn't you?
Why do I get the impression that "bush pelican" and the bloke running the damplanefacts.com website are one and the same?
The photo doesn't mean anything. He appears to be celebrating the completion of the works performed on the Lightning aircraft pictured that is fitted with an Australian made Jabiru 3300 engine with another successful Bundaberg export known as Bundaberg Ginger Beer which for the most part contains nil alcohol.
Nothing to see here.
Nothing to see here.
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So nearly 10 months on, bush pelican aka the self admitted owner of an anonymous website, when challenged to produce registrations and dates about:
"The facts are that aircraft maintained by DAM HAVE fallen out of the skies, and others HAVE had serious life threatening emergencies after being serviced by DAM."
comes up with........ NOTHING.
Nice. Draw your own conclusions.
"The facts are that aircraft maintained by DAM HAVE fallen out of the skies, and others HAVE had serious life threatening emergencies after being serviced by DAM."
comes up with........ NOTHING.
Nice. Draw your own conclusions.
