Part 61 - Special Pilot Licence

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Well......From another thread on same.....

"Received in today's email, Fri 22/11/13,

"Attention all pilots ...December AvSafety Seminars
New aviation regulations are coming, and so are the last AvSafety Seminars for 2013. The AvSafety seminar series is specifically designed to help you understand Regulatory change including:

New part 61 Pilot licence
Flying School activities
Electronic Flight Bags
New Fatigue rules
Performance Based navigation
How you can participate in a range of future plans.
CASA’s aviation safety advisors (along with CASA specialists when available) will present attendees with all you need to know about regulatory change that will affect you."

The last sentence says it all.....and this is only a portion of the said notice....

Being held at ....
December Seminars are being held at:

Dubbo
Jindabyne
Murray Bridge
Coonamble (contact the Coonamble Aero Club for attendance)

And so on and so on and......


So, youse guys and gals, IF 'n ya are out and about the aforementioned areas, on the no doubt advised dates, then ALL will be explained!

It says so in the email!!

[ravan]

Read the "Press Release" on the CASA website about Part 61,Part 141,Part 142 et al and by the time I had finished reading, I thought that I had not read such an arrogant, condescending "politispeak" document in a long time.

A raft of ill thought out changes, conceived without sufficient regard for industry and poorly prepared for implementation, and they want to blame the pilots....?

[poteroo]

Maybe we could get another subject onto their agenda - PBR = Performance Based Regulation.

They'd be out of a job !

happy days,

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Well, for those of you who are near Moorabbin,

'Ere yas go....

Please circulate the agenda as widely as possible.

The meeting is open to pilots, operators, LAMEs, AMOs, manufacturing, design and certification personnel.

Senator Fawcett wants to hear of experiences good and bad.

His feedback to Truss will be important.

Ken Cannane
Executive Director
AMROBA
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Mobile: [phone]
AMROBA :: Home

Safety All Around.


And the venue..??

AMROBA – AGENDA
MOORABBIN AVIATION INDUSTRY MEETING DECEMBER 13, 2013
Location: Moorabbin Airport 1000 – 1500
Invited: Maintenance Organisations, Operators and Licence Holders
Host: Aviation Maintenance Repair & Overhaul Business Association, inc.
Purpose: Discuss Issues, Government Aviation Policy & Future Effect on Aviation
Contact: Linton Hayres. Aircraft Propellers & Spares. [email protected]
Mobile [phone]
Location: Dingley International Hotel (Next to Airport)
334-348 Boundary Road, Dingley 3172. [phone]
1000 - 1020 Introduction Ken Cannane, Executive Director, AMROBA

There yas go....

[Jack Ranga]

raven, considering the arrogant c u next tuesday in charge of the joint, is it any wonder?

[dubbleyew eight]

imagine the mindset if you will, or the degree of myopic arrogance, needed to spend $200 million on a rewrite of the regulations and never once have an inkling of an idea that changing the regs negated all of the inter country agreements on cross recognition of operations.

I am stunned at the incompetence.

[Sarcs]

Industry (IOS) quotes from Phearless Phelan article

PP: Understanding the rules – Opinion

Preamble to industry quotes...

..."Those repeated assertions prompted irate responses from individuals and organisations. Some didn’t mind being identified while others explained that they held various CASA certificates and a wife and kids to feed. One actually drew our attention to a fast-track process buried in a CASA manual that helps you identify somebody as a fit and proper person {WTF??}. So we’ve de-identified the lot..."

• “It’s interesting how [Director John McCormick] is happy to front all the media about the implementation, but he’s nowhere to be heard when it‘s postponed. Instead we all get a media release from Peter Gibson blaming industry for all the delays!”
• “I feel insulted by the CASA machine. It says that the reasons why they are deferring the implementation of Part 61 in part are ‘to give the industry more time to prepare’. Can anyone advise when the first education programme started in earnest? My first awareness was during a two day ‘professional development programme’ (PDP) meeting for Approved Testing Officers in September 2013.”
• “Only starting to understand the new rules?” They haven’t circulated them yet. Where’s the Part 61 MOS?”
• “As for ‘Despite the long lead time’ etc–we’re alleged to be at fault. With whom did they consult? Organisations? Only? Well, I belong to organisations and I haven’t seen them. I also am an affected individual and I was not consulted. Nothing was drawn to my attention. I was not asked for my opinion. Were any other individuals asked for their opinion?”
• “The fact that CASA hasn’t produced a Manual of Standards (MOS) that will be ready by 4 December 2013– obviously didn’t count – were we supposed to write that as well? Are we, the industry, are all so stupid? The whole thing smacks of ‘process versus outcome,’ which is what micromanagement is really all about!”
• “Only starting to understand?That describes the apparent subject knowledge of CASA people when we ask them to explain the intent of a particular regulation. I was embarrassed for the CASA guys at the PDP meeting because they were obviously not informed, trained or equipped to explain the material they were promoting, or its outcomes; and they apparently weren’t allowed to answer questions. Also when that “consultation” took place (it was supposed to be a ‘personal development program’ meeting,) the actual draft rules hadn’t even been published yet so there couldn’t be any meaningful dialogue.”
• “It would be easy to form the impression that CASA is among the organisations that are “only starting to understand,” especially when you review the mountains of amendments that have closely followed the recent launches of sets of regulations.”

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

From AMROBA, a little more 'fleshing out' of the agenda for the Moorabbin Meeting....

AMROBA – AGENDA
MOORABBIN AVIATION INDUSTRY MEETING DECEMBER 13, 2013
Location: Moorabbin Airport 1000 – 1500
Invited: Maintenance Organisations, Operators and Licence Holders
Host: Aviation Maintenance Repair & Overhaul Business Association, inc.
Purpose: Discuss Issues, Government Aviation Policy & Future Effect on Aviation
Contact: Linton Hayres. Aircraft Propellers & Spares. [email protected]
Mobile [phone]
Location: Dingley International Hotel (Next to Airport)
334-348 Boundary Road, Dingley 3172. [phone]

1000 - 1020 Introduction Ken Cannane, Executive Director, AMROBA
Change – need for new direction
Review – will it achieve change?
1030 – 1040 Government Policy – Direction Senator David Fawcett
LNP Aviation Policy
1040 – 1300 Open Forum - Issues
Chairs: Senator Fawcett, Ken Cannane
Local issues with:
 Airports/Operations/Maintenance/Personnel
 CASA interaction/processes & procedures.
 EASA and/or FAR system for Non-Airline sectors
 Pilot & Engineer qualifications and licensing
 Industry Concerns for future
 Regulatory Rewrite – Stop??
1230 – 1300 Working Lunch (Sandwiches etc Provided)
1300 – 1455 The Way Ahead
Chairs: Ken Cannane, Linton Hayres
Industry Expectations – Your Opinions
 FAR system for non-airline
o Pros & cons
 Independent LAME
 FAA Fixed Based Operators System
 Approved Maintenance Organisations
 AME Licensing
 Pilot/Instructor Licensing
o Independent Flight Instructors
1455 – 1500 Close Summation and thanks
Ken Cannane

RSVP: Please notify Linton Hayres (details above) of numbers attending for catering purposes

Thankyou

[Sarcs]

Good catch GRIFFO!

Also from AMROBA this from their latest news letter, VOL 10 Issue 11:

Back in Business — New Government

Warren Truss has fulfilled one of the promises in the Government’s Aviation Policy Paper by announcing a Review Team to look at just about all aspects of aviation including government departments and agencies.

Lowering costs and red tape is the key to the government’s aviation policy — this is easy to achieve in aviation. It was also the basis of regulatory
reform for the last 20 plus years but has been such an abject failure up till now.

This government has turned the spotlight onto the government departments and agencies involved with the aviation industry.

One cannot imagine support for this Review coming from his own Department let alone CASA or the ATSB.

Mike Mrdyck, Secretary of the Department of Infrastructure; Mike Dolan, ATSB; Allan Hawke, Chair of CASA Board; John McCormick, CEO of CASA and CASA’s Senior Executive would have been against such a review.

The terms of reference for the review clearly demonstrates that this government does not have confidence in the current direction of aviation reform by those persons listed above.

AMROBA membership supports the all encompassing review and hope they have enough time to properly analyse the aviation system properly.

We appreciated the LNP policy stating that:
“

Labor’s approach to aviation policy over the past six years has seen cost after cost added to the bottom lines of airlines and airports, pilots and passengers.

Together, these measures have made the Australian industry increasingly uncompetitive internationally and have seen many smaller aviation providers struggle to survive.

Government imposed red tape is beginning to overwhelm many smaller and medium-sized businesses which struggle to cope with changing,
complicated and confusing requirements.”

To achieve this massive change, they also recognised that they needed to:



reform the structure of the Civil Aviation Safety
Authority;



revitalise the General Aviation Action Agenda;



enhance aviation skills, training and development.

AMROBA will lobby for:



A more responsive CASA structure that holds a senior individual responsible for standards, regulatory services and oversight for discrete
industry sectors must be an outcome.



A 3 tier legislative system where ICAO standards & practices are promulgated by CASA as ‘aviation safety standards’ referred to in
CASRs must also be an outcome.



A FAR based system for the non-airline sectors must be another outcome.

It would appear the IOS membership is swelling...

[Up-into-the-air]

casa is out of touch with the Aviation Industry and so is mccormick

The following gives a breakdown of the way casa goes about it's business of consultation.

This article I have found shows how casa has in it's "supposed" consultation with industry, muscled the results.

Has CASA represented Industry in Regulatory change ? Part 61 debacle | Assistance to the Aviation Industry

[Paragraph377]

Will the Angry Man and his bearded 'mini-me' be attending the AMROBA meeting? If so I hope he has the Comcar fuelled up this time

It is becoming more and more blatantly obvious that all levels of the industry have had a gutful of CASA either postulating or blaming everything that fails on the IOS. The smart people are the ones not working for the bureaucracy.
My understanding is that the Australian aviation industry employs approximately 100 000 souls directly. Is it time for a mass vote of no confidence in the bureaucratic silo's and their wrecking ball?

[Up-into-the-air]

casa is out of touch with the Aviation Industry Part 61

The helicopter industry association released the following:

However, the relationship between CASA and industry working groups (the latter are volunteers) soured when CASA advised the media ‘the delay was caused by the need to give the aviation industry more time to prepare for the commencement of the new regulations. Despite CASA’s education and information campaign on the new licensing regulations many pilots and people working in flying training are only starting to understand the new rules’. This was a disappointing statement and no doubt politically motivated as CASA is about to undergo a major external audit at the direction of the Deputy Prime Minister.

The AHIA on behalf of the helicopter industry does not accept the CASA media report, as the ‘lack of understanding’ is due to errors or unreasonable changes in the nearly 1,300 pages of material needing review and re-working in many areas.

Read the editorial that was supplied by a member at:

Part 61 Industry asks why CASA can?t get it right Politics involved?? | Assistance to the Aviation Industry

[Up-into-the-air]

casa is out of touch with the Aviation Industry and so is mccormick

and so does the RAAA:

The degree to how far out of touch casa is is revealed in the Part 61 debacle

“It is unfortunate that CASA, in its media release, appears to blame industry entirely for the delay in the roll-out of new licensing regulations,” he said.
“It is another example of the breakdown in the relationship between CASA and operators, a breakdown that is hurting the government and the industry.
"The CASA Board and senior management must understand that the genuine concerns about the timing of the roll-out came from industry and within CASA.
“After ten years of development due to CASA delays, it’s far better to take a little more time and get it right than rush it now and have to clean up a mess.”

and at:

RAAA says ?No to CASA? | Assistance to the Aviation Industry

[Paragraph377]

Oh c'mon UITA, you know that helicopters are a pain in CAsA's ass. Silly little two man cubicles with a rotor! They are as annoying as GA, freighters, AG's and Warbirds. Ground the lot of them, ban them even. Every time there is an annoying crash it ruins Herr Skulls weekend!
Unless it is a wide body jet the Screaming Skull doesn't give a gram of pony pooh! And as for manufacturing, engineering or even avionics or airframe maintainers oh no no no, we don't want them bellows Big Chief Angry, get rid of them all, now! Curse AMROBA, the Helisexuals, ASIC holders, aerodromes, Ma and Pa Kettle and the old man who lived in a shoe.....all IOS, the lot of them, what is the world coming to, poor poor CAsA, we don't have time for this sh#t. And you can take the Senators too, Channel 7, Chris Reason and those families pushing for justice such as the Hares and Urquharts! Please leave CAsA alone so they can do what they do best..................SFA.

[Old Akro]

Just got the CASA "aviation Safety Yearbook"

Chariman's remarks from Allan Hawke on the inside cover:

"..... with flight crew licencing and the aircraft operations suite (of regulatory packages) on schedule to be delivered next year."

Do they actually believe their own spin?