A320 type rating in the US
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Don't know much about Aerosim there only background the last few years was cookie templates of various aircraft systems put on DVD than they decided to jump in the training. Aerostar is no better they just stole from everyone to get where they are and they do not even own the simulators/FTDS. Dave santos and deidra Toye who came from panam are bunch of hoodlums there.
Morno,
Just cause someone told you that a place is "dodgy" doesn't mean that it actually is. The person who told you may have got it 3rd 4th or 5th hand from someone else. Unless you have a first hand account or an experience of your own I wouldn't go around calling places dodgy that have been doing ratings for a very long time.
There are plenty of guys in Australia flying around who have done ratings at Pan Am and had no trouble with line training. I can tell you that cause I know people who have done it.
If the training in the USA was so bad then why aren't all the planes in the USA falling out of the sky?
Ansett are in a very lucky position where they are one of only two providers of Airbus ratings in Australia so they can charge pretty much whatever they like. They defend this by saying that the training is "superior" and you get more time doing "emergencies". They will also rubbish the competition by spreading misinformation of how bad the overseas "training" is.
Don't be fooled.
Just cause someone told you that a place is "dodgy" doesn't mean that it actually is. The person who told you may have got it 3rd 4th or 5th hand from someone else. Unless you have a first hand account or an experience of your own I wouldn't go around calling places dodgy that have been doing ratings for a very long time.
There are plenty of guys in Australia flying around who have done ratings at Pan Am and had no trouble with line training. I can tell you that cause I know people who have done it.
If the training in the USA was so bad then why aren't all the planes in the USA falling out of the sky?
Ansett are in a very lucky position where they are one of only two providers of Airbus ratings in Australia so they can charge pretty much whatever they like. They defend this by saying that the training is "superior" and you get more time doing "emergencies". They will also rubbish the competition by spreading misinformation of how bad the overseas "training" is.
Don't be fooled.
Course Duration: Approximately 20 Days
Classroom Instruction: On Site Option: 52:00 Hours
System Integration Training: 16:00 Hours (classroom; CPT; simulator without motion)
Simulator/Flight Training: * Paired: 12:00 Hours PF, 12:00 Hours PM (Level C or higher) 02:00 Hours LOFT (Each Pilot)
Simulator/Certification Check: 3 Hours per trainee (Level C or higher)
Classroom Instruction: On Site Option: 52:00 Hours
System Integration Training: 16:00 Hours (classroom; CPT; simulator without motion)
Simulator/Flight Training: * Paired: 12:00 Hours PF, 12:00 Hours PM (Level C or higher) 02:00 Hours LOFT (Each Pilot)
Simulator/Certification Check: 3 Hours per trainee (Level C or higher)
Pilotchute,
Some are saying the course is crap. Others are saying its fine.
It's your money. You have to weigh up the positives vs the negatives.
It also depends hugely on the individual. Some people will make the most of a tough situation. Others will blow a good one!
Some are saying the course is crap. Others are saying its fine.
It's your money. You have to weigh up the positives vs the negatives.
It also depends hugely on the individual. Some people will make the most of a tough situation. Others will blow a good one!
Thanks Capt,
I see what your saying. I would rather maybe work a little harder and have 15k still in my pocket than give it to Ansett.
I simply cant see what it is that the extra 24 thousand dollars gets you at Ansett. Can someone tell me where the extra cost is? I know that Ansett is a level D sim and Pan Am is a level C but for an extra 2k I can do the rating in a level D at Pan Am.
I see what your saying. I would rather maybe work a little harder and have 15k still in my pocket than give it to Ansett.
I simply cant see what it is that the extra 24 thousand dollars gets you at Ansett. Can someone tell me where the extra cost is? I know that Ansett is a level D sim and Pan Am is a level C but for an extra 2k I can do the rating in a level D at Pan Am.
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pilotchute,
My apologies if I've offended you. Word of mouth is worth a million dollars in this industry, and I've had both other pilots, plus operators, tell me to avoid the place. I have no personal experience there, but I tend to stear clear of places when multiple reports say the same thing. However, I hope your experience is positive.
I agree, Ansett are probably charging way more than they need to be. And I've been to the US instead of spending my $$'s here as well.
morno
My apologies if I've offended you. Word of mouth is worth a million dollars in this industry, and I've had both other pilots, plus operators, tell me to avoid the place. I have no personal experience there, but I tend to stear clear of places when multiple reports say the same thing. However, I hope your experience is positive.
I agree, Ansett are probably charging way more than they need to be. And I've been to the US instead of spending my $$'s here as well.
morno
Thanks for the perspective Morno,
I will come back on Pprune in a few months when I have finished and let everyone know how it went.
I have 2 friends who completed ratings there recently and one guy said it was average (about what he expected) and the other said it was a bit better than he expected. Both have the rating on their CASA licence and both have secured employment. Their respective employers didn't have any gripes against the place it seems.
I will come back on Pprune in a few months when I have finished and let everyone know how it went.
I have 2 friends who completed ratings there recently and one guy said it was average (about what he expected) and the other said it was a bit better than he expected. Both have the rating on their CASA licence and both have secured employment. Their respective employers didn't have any gripes against the place it seems.
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pan am are ok
guys i did my rating in 2005 with panam MSP for $13,000 with nil partner they found me a good guy as sim partner the training was to northwest airlines standards and i got a job 2 years later on airbus in india and now work in kazaksthan on 320 321 and 319 , i have 4000hrs on the airbus the training may not be perfect but u get a rating if u study hard u will be fine ,just go for it ....if u feel the airbus is for you
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Flight Training International
Has anyone used Flight Training International?
I am in the hiring process with Tiger, and if successful, am thinking about FTI.
Their level D SIM in Denver is just under $ 9k (with home study course), and they are FAA approved.
Like the rest of you, I want the best price, but I also want quality training.
Comments please?
I am in the hiring process with Tiger, and if successful, am thinking about FTI.
Their level D SIM in Denver is just under $ 9k (with home study course), and they are FAA approved.
Like the rest of you, I want the best price, but I also want quality training.
Comments please?
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Their level D SIM in Denver is just under $ 9k (with home study course), and they are FAA approved.
Compared with Australia and even SE Asia that certainly is a competitive price. Does FAA Approved automatically mean CASA approved?
Compared with Australia and even SE Asia that certainly is a competitive price. Does FAA Approved automatically mean CASA approved?
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That is my understanding.
When I moved here 4 years ago, everything that was on my FAA ATP was transferred onto my CASA ATPL.
In fact CASA models most everything they do off the FAA.
They are now in the process from changing the Regs here to a Part 61 system just like the FAA.
When I moved here 4 years ago, everything that was on my FAA ATP was transferred onto my CASA ATPL.
In fact CASA models most everything they do off the FAA.
They are now in the process from changing the Regs here to a Part 61 system just like the FAA.
I finished my rating at Pan Am and will answer questions if anyone has any.
There are a lot of things Pan Am could better but at the end of the day it did what it says on the box.
There are a lot of things Pan Am could better but at the end of the day it did what it says on the box.
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The big question, is do you think you left with a good type rating and do you think it is enough to enable you to pass the training your new employer will put you through when you start?
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pan am
hii I shall be joining pan am in a few days time for my reduced course A320 for FAA ATP...pic rating on it. I would like to know reviews abt pan am ..though i know i might be asking this a little late by now. howz the oral exam....sims? with the job scenario dont get much time to go through the books so i was taking a little worry abt the oral n sim check part in pan am. please advice