Fort Fumble and the Money Spend Continues
It’s obvious what’s happening. As it increasingly dawns on everyone that the regulatory reform program is terminally ill and will soon die, the only way to give effect to some bright idea that’s in draft regulations that may never be made is to instead give effect to it by changing existing rules that were supposed to be defunct over a decade ago. Either that or sprout some ‘guidance’ material in the hope that someone will consider it authoritative.
In my first post in this thread, I quoted these words from the CASA website:
That’s now been changed to:
Now let’s think about the implications of that (in addition to just the implications of changes being made to the CASA website, without any amendment list or other note to indicate that anything changed).
In July 2012 CASA said:
If the remaining new parts of CASRs were indeed going to be made as law “shortly” after July 2012, why would it be necessary, 6 months later, to start a new project that is itself likely to take months, to implement an ‘interim’ solution to a problem that will supposedly be fixed by new Part 91?
The answer: CASA won’t have the remaining new parts of the CASRs made as law “shortly”.
And just to remind everyone about the reliability of CASA’s commitments to regulatory reform timelines, here’s what CASA said on 14 February 2005 – close enough to eight years ago – in response to a Senator’s question as to when the reform program – which was already a mess in 2005 - was going to end:
In my first post in this thread, I quoted these words from the CASA website:
In the interim, it is necessary to clarify and regularise the policy.
Pending implementation of Part 91, it is necessary to clarify and regularise the policy in current law.
In July 2012 CASA said:
CASA will have the remaining new parts of the Civil Aviation Safety Regulations made as law shortly, bringing an effective end to the regulatory reform program.
The answer: CASA won’t have the remaining new parts of the CASRs made as law “shortly”.
And just to remind everyone about the reliability of CASA’s commitments to regulatory reform timelines, here’s what CASA said on 14 February 2005 – close enough to eight years ago – in response to a Senator’s question as to when the reform program – which was already a mess in 2005 - was going to end:
I would be hopeful that it would not be long after early 2006 that most of the draft rules are delivered to the minister.
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Nice finishing statement Creampuff. Delivered to the Minister in 2006!
Oops, another delay, another missed deadline, another failed promise by Aleck!
As for the Minister reading the completed work, well it's no good completing the reform program this year, the Minister isn't even smart enough to read the warning statement on a packet of Mr Skulls cigars! Might as well wait another year, by then the equally incompetent Libs will be voted back in.
Australian aviation Groundhog Day - Where incompetence reigns supreme and regulatory reform remains a dream.
Oops, another delay, another missed deadline, another failed promise by Aleck!
As for the Minister reading the completed work, well it's no good completing the reform program this year, the Minister isn't even smart enough to read the warning statement on a packet of Mr Skulls cigars! Might as well wait another year, by then the equally incompetent Libs will be voted back in.
Australian aviation Groundhog Day - Where incompetence reigns supreme and regulatory reform remains a dream.
Next, take a look at the sidebar statement on any newer CAAP:
CAAPs provide guidance, interpretation and explanation on complying with the Civil Aviation Regulations (CAR) or Civil Aviation Orders (CAO).
This CAAP provides advisory information to the aviation industry in support of a particular CAR or CAO. Ordinarily, the CAAP will provide additional ‘how to’ information not found in the source CAR, or elsewhere.
A CAAP is not intended to clarify the intent of a CAR, which must be clear from a reading of the regulation itself, nor may the CAAP contain mandatory requirements not contained in legislation.
So, ahh, if the CAR is supposed to be clear by itself, why do we need CAAPs? And Q2, why do CAAPs always contain requirements (policy??) not supported by the regs?
CAAPs provide guidance, interpretation and explanation on complying with the Civil Aviation Regulations (CAR) or Civil Aviation Orders (CAO).
This CAAP provides advisory information to the aviation industry in support of a particular CAR or CAO. Ordinarily, the CAAP will provide additional ‘how to’ information not found in the source CAR, or elsewhere.
A CAAP is not intended to clarify the intent of a CAR, which must be clear from a reading of the regulation itself, nor may the CAAP contain mandatory requirements not contained in legislation.
So, ahh, if the CAR is supposed to be clear by itself, why do we need CAAPs? And Q2, why do CAAPs always contain requirements (policy??) not supported by the regs?
Well apparently the Senators are due some answers soonish from Albo's circus and presumably Fort Fumble, has to be before the 12th of Feb at any rate:
No the Voodoo spin doctor and the GWM cleaner are going to have to dig deep into their bag of tricks this time!
Pg 69 Senate Estimates Hansard 16/10/12
141 AAA 08 NASH Aviation White Paper Recommendations (question 4-6 and 9-10 in relation to the White paper and CASA, ASA, industry).
4. Completing the CASA regulatory reform program by 2011 (page 69): in relation to the White Paper commitment to complete the CASA regulatory reform program by 2011:
(a) I understand that as at July 2012 this process still isn’t complete. Do you have a revised completion date?
(b) What remains to be finalised?
(c) Why has this taken 12 months longer than outlined in the White Paper?
141 AAA 08 NASH Aviation White Paper Recommendations (question 4-6 and 9-10 in relation to the White paper and CASA, ASA, industry).
4. Completing the CASA regulatory reform program by 2011 (page 69): in relation to the White Paper commitment to complete the CASA regulatory reform program by 2011:
(a) I understand that as at July 2012 this process still isn’t complete. Do you have a revised completion date?
(b) What remains to be finalised?
(c) Why has this taken 12 months longer than outlined in the White Paper?
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Thanks Ultralights ..this weeks best larf !!
Trouble is we've all heard the sh*te from the Fort ,so often, over so many decades, time can get confusing. Is this still 20th century?
Recently re-read a 2011 spiel from the Skull...one had to shovel a lot to try for the gist of the statement, which was a platitudious dungheap.
I'll give them top marks for 'cut and paste' from past docs as a way to produce a "statement"
Alas, the poo laid on so heavy the spade broke.!
Still the moniker says it all. CASA, the Combined Australian Sewerage Assoc...where the sh*t happens. And then some.
No wonder DoTR wont touch the place . It stinks.
Trouble is we've all heard the sh*te from the Fort ,so often, over so many decades, time can get confusing. Is this still 20th century?
Recently re-read a 2011 spiel from the Skull...one had to shovel a lot to try for the gist of the statement, which was a platitudious dungheap.
I'll give them top marks for 'cut and paste' from past docs as a way to produce a "statement"
Alas, the poo laid on so heavy the spade broke.!
Still the moniker says it all. CASA, the Combined Australian Sewerage Assoc...where the sh*t happens. And then some.
No wonder DoTR wont touch the place . It stinks.
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I'll give them top marks for 'cut and paste' from past docs as a way to produce a "statement"
"We have an action item to develop a plan to forward to the minister about when we plan to have them to the minister, and I assume that plan would be done in the next couple of months."
Has anyone had the "pleasure" of an in-depth read of CAAP 215-1(1).
Once again we have "guidance material" with references to legislation (CASRs) that is still in the developmental stage.
Once again we have "guidance material" with references to legislation (CASRs) that is still in the developmental stage.
Don’t worry: They’ll “regularise” the “policy” by starting a project to amend CAO 82.0 to say what they hope CASRs will “soon” say. Fixed
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I just watched a re-run of Robbbery under Arms. A good Australia Day movie.
Nothing's really changed. It's still them and us.
Bloody Colonials.
Nothing's really changed. It's still them and us.
Bloody Colonials.
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casa and the effect on commercial operations
Here is the latest casa step towards total control and blatant mis-use of our money.
Frank's "Robbery under Arms" has nothing on this January 2013 release of:
CASA Enforcement Manual
Version 4.3: January 2013
At Page: 2.4.3
Where consistent with the overarching interests of safety, CASA will consider the use of infringement notices rather than administrative action or referral to the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions (CDPP) when dealing with private pilots who commit strict liability offences.
Read for yourself:
http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_asset...nf/009rful.pdf
Frank's "Robbery under Arms" has nothing on this January 2013 release of:
CASA Enforcement Manual
Version 4.3: January 2013
At Page: 2.4.3
Where consistent with the overarching interests of safety, CASA will consider the use of infringement notices rather than administrative action or referral to the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions (CDPP) when dealing with private pilots who commit strict liability offences.
Read for yourself:
http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_asset...nf/009rful.pdf
I'm not too fluent in "Legalese" but does what Up-Into-The-Air has just posted mean that in the near future we may find CASA Officials walking around with those annoying ticket machines that parking inspectors have?
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Albury Safety Seminar
Had a friend go to the Albury "seminar' last night.
He said:
The presenters [We are the only casa people who can give you our mobile phone numbers] really were not on top of questions.
In fact, despite FF assurances, cut off questions during the night and did not want to field any Part 61 questions.
No "bribery nibbles" either!!
Definitely just a pile of re-hashed material, which did not get to the point.
The presenters said the "meat bombers" were not controlled by casa and when pressed knew of "through the cloud" drops and other misdemeanours, but said that casa does have responsibility and just flick-passed" to Para Fed.
Certainly were not taking this stuff back to skull to get the PJOps into order.
The presentation on non-controlled airports was poor and never gor to the real issues.
The material on EFB's did not meet the requirements in the regs., with the presenter relying on the CAAP [which does not have a head of power]
So I believe that it was just a numbers exercise by casa to say they have talked to another probably 40 pilots!!
Oh and by the way, surprise, surprise no mention of the ASRR/ WLR [Truss review]
He said:
The presenters [We are the only casa people who can give you our mobile phone numbers] really were not on top of questions.
In fact, despite FF assurances, cut off questions during the night and did not want to field any Part 61 questions.
No "bribery nibbles" either!!
Definitely just a pile of re-hashed material, which did not get to the point.
The presenters said the "meat bombers" were not controlled by casa and when pressed knew of "through the cloud" drops and other misdemeanours, but said that casa does have responsibility and just flick-passed" to Para Fed.
Certainly were not taking this stuff back to skull to get the PJOps into order.
The presentation on non-controlled airports was poor and never gor to the real issues.
The material on EFB's did not meet the requirements in the regs., with the presenter relying on the CAAP [which does not have a head of power]
So I believe that it was just a numbers exercise by casa to say they have talked to another probably 40 pilots!!
Oh and by the way, surprise, surprise no mention of the ASRR/ WLR [Truss review]
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" Mr John McCormick will not be seeking a further term of appointment as Director of Aviation Safety."
Carry on No 1.......
Cheers
" Mr John McCormick will not be seeking a further term of appointment as Director of Aviation Safety."
Carry on No 1.......
Cheers
Meat bombers dropping through cloud is a misdemeanour?
Some of the posters seem to think so, but that ain't the way I read the present APF guidelines.
Quite a few people here make accusations against skydivers that reveals more about the lack of knowledge of the poster, than any infraction by skydivers.
infringement notices rather than administrative action
Tootle pip!!
