Yarrawonga, Doesn't Want Visitors
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I was just passing on the message from the AD operator who thinks the sign is fine. Interesting that the way he described it sounds quite the opposite to what you have posted!! and he said he had legal advice!!
No wonder he's had a dozen phone calls.
At least we know it's an innocent sign and should have read "no entry without a valid pilots licence" or words to that effect.
Perhaps I'll call him back again.
The woman on reception at the council offices believed it was removed due to concerns over it, but the operator said they were still there. Sounds like an organized establishment!
No wonder he's had a dozen phone calls.
At least we know it's an innocent sign and should have read "no entry without a valid pilots licence" or words to that effect.
Perhaps I'll call him back again.
The woman on reception at the council offices believed it was removed due to concerns over it, but the operator said they were still there. Sounds like an organized establishment!
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What IS all this nonsense about? Isn't YYWG a small, uncontrolled country airport?
Every airport I fly out of has a sign which forbids entry to persons "without authority or lawful reason", so why make a blanket exclusion as well as chains on the gate?
Smacks of a control freak somewhere in the organisation!
Every airport I fly out of has a sign which forbids entry to persons "without authority or lawful reason", so why make a blanket exclusion as well as chains on the gate?
Smacks of a control freak somewhere in the organisation!
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Every airport I fly out of has a sign which forbids entry to persons "without
authority or lawful reason", so why make a blanket exclusion as well as chains
on the gate?
so why make a blanket exclusion
A poorly worded sign, yes, but not a blanket exclusion!
If you really want access to get off the airport, then go and park outside the hangar of that guy who wears the green overalls 24x7 with the badges all over them, I think he flies a trike or something, I'm sure he'll let you through
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I have also just had a conversation with the Council officer responsible for managing this certified aerodrome.
The Council had less blunt statements on previous signs but found people were still doing the wrong thing and causing difficulties with their certification. Their legal advisor gave them the current wording which they now admit is also open to incorrect interpretation.
Their representative confirms absolutely that the intention is to protect the infrastructure, aircraft and visitors. There is no intention to prevent lawful access and egress by pilots, passengers and other persons going about their business at the airport.
They are considering my suggestion that they (1) add a clause at the end of the current proscription excepting pilots, pax etc; and (2) place signs with an arrow as appropriate pointing to the various UNLOCKED pedestrian gates around the perimeter.
Moira Council has spent a lot of money upgrading the airport and has actively encouraged aviation activities at YYWG when many others are closing them down (Geelong) or talking about it (YKTN). Pilots should be supporting them and their tenants, not talking about forcing entry or staying away.
At least that's how I see it.
Kaz
The Council had less blunt statements on previous signs but found people were still doing the wrong thing and causing difficulties with their certification. Their legal advisor gave them the current wording which they now admit is also open to incorrect interpretation.
Their representative confirms absolutely that the intention is to protect the infrastructure, aircraft and visitors. There is no intention to prevent lawful access and egress by pilots, passengers and other persons going about their business at the airport.
They are considering my suggestion that they (1) add a clause at the end of the current proscription excepting pilots, pax etc; and (2) place signs with an arrow as appropriate pointing to the various UNLOCKED pedestrian gates around the perimeter.
Moira Council has spent a lot of money upgrading the airport and has actively encouraged aviation activities at YYWG when many others are closing them down (Geelong) or talking about it (YKTN). Pilots should be supporting them and their tenants, not talking about forcing entry or staying away.
At least that's how I see it.
Kaz
Kaz,
I fully agree. I find the place a joy to visit and very pilot friendly, with no landing fees. It does not deserve the thread title.
Hey Frank, showing your age there. One of the best songs from the year 1971
I fully agree. I find the place a joy to visit and very pilot friendly, with no landing fees. It does not deserve the thread title.
Hey Frank, showing your age there. One of the best songs from the year 1971
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Hey Frank, showing your age there. One of the best songs from the year 1971 
They are considering my suggestion that they (1) add a clause at the end of the current proscription excepting pilots, pax etc; and (2) place signs with an arrow as appropriate pointing to the various UNLOCKED pedestrian gates around the perimeter.
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There is ample provision for parking aircraft at YYWG which is safe and secure.
You seem to be more deeply involved than you are perhaps letting on, K28. Is it unfair to surmise that you might have been one of those whose actions caused the change in the signs?
My understanding from the conversation I had with the Council was that the problems were constituted largely by aircraft being parked so they obstructed taxiways and vehicles being driven on taxiways without complying with the MOS for certified aerodromes.
Those complaints don't sound like they originate with visitors.
Kaz
You seem to be more deeply involved than you are perhaps letting on, K28. Is it unfair to surmise that you might have been one of those whose actions caused the change in the signs?
My understanding from the conversation I had with the Council was that the problems were constituted largely by aircraft being parked so they obstructed taxiways and vehicles being driven on taxiways without complying with the MOS for certified aerodromes.
Those complaints don't sound like they originate with visitors.
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Considering I have never driven a car in the area and only ever parked a plane in the designated parking area you would be incorrect
I haven't seen the new signs but assuming that the wording Dviation has is correct it would appear the council who have done a great job with the airport are getting some bad advice
Considering I have never driven a car in the area and only ever parked a plane in the designated parking area you would be incorrect
I haven't seen the new signs but assuming that the wording Dviation has is correct it would appear the council who have done a great job with the airport are getting some bad advice
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You're going to get complaints like that when you have people living at the airport and some people think they own the place (in some ways they do).
I was there and a local saw a mate land in his aircraft and he insisted that his landing was too hard and told him he had prop struck. There was no damage to the prop and the landing wasn't overly hard. The local then researched and found the owner of the aircraft, rang him up and told him about the incident that never actually happened. Strange bunch. Overalls man is another story again!
I was there and a local saw a mate land in his aircraft and he insisted that his landing was too hard and told him he had prop struck. There was no damage to the prop and the landing wasn't overly hard. The local then researched and found the owner of the aircraft, rang him up and told him about the incident that never actually happened. Strange bunch. Overalls man is another story again!
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One for Frank ...... Signs from around Australia - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
(I must say I do like photo number 11 - that's truly Australian. Now, this photo No. 11 wasn't taken at YYWG, by any chance, was it?? If it was, they need a better sign)
(I must say I do like photo number 11 - that's truly Australian. Now, this photo No. 11 wasn't taken at YYWG, by any chance, was it?? If it was, they need a better sign)
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Good one, thanks for the laugh. It even has aviation content and is relevant to the topic. Well done that man
As for the song lyrics, well, if you remember the sixties, (and seventies), you weren't there. I'm flat our remembering what happened yesterday.
As for the song lyrics, well, if you remember the sixties, (and seventies), you weren't there. I'm flat our remembering what happened yesterday.
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"It is NOT a blanket exclusion.
A poorly worded sign, yes, but not a blanket exclusion! "
Here's an idea XXX. Perhaps the operator should place another sign next to the existing sign so that dummies like me will be able to interpret the precisely worded first sign.
A poorly worded sign, yes, but not a blanket exclusion! "
Here's an idea XXX. Perhaps the operator should place another sign next to the existing sign so that dummies like me will be able to interpret the precisely worded first sign.
I too have found the folk there particularly good. One time heading for Bris via Benalla, found BLA fogged in so kept going west where Yarrawonga was right on the fog boundary. But had meanwhile run off me map... Fueller bloke ducked back into his hangar. Came out with a used WAC and would not take a cent for it.
Frank . . .. . . if memory serves me right , that'll be a surprise. The thing is, we must not let it become a bother. If the synapse doesn't work with a satisfying click, then bugger it... just don't be held up by it. A smile, a shake of the head . . . and keep on keeping on.
Frank . . .. . . if memory serves me right , that'll be a surprise. The thing is, we must not let it become a bother. If the synapse doesn't work with a satisfying click, then bugger it... just don't be held up by it. A smile, a shake of the head . . . and keep on keeping on.
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My neck hurts, I tend to nod these days.
But from memory, last time I was at YYWG I didn't see any intimidating signs, but if I had, it is my usual habit of ignoring them anyway.
It's usually the people that put them up who have the problem, and the sign is simply an attempt at "problem transferrence" which people should transfer back to the person with the original problem.
Don't you people see, it's people who are the problem, not me?
But from memory, last time I was at YYWG I didn't see any intimidating signs, but if I had, it is my usual habit of ignoring them anyway.
It's usually the people that put them up who have the problem, and the sign is simply an attempt at "problem transferrence" which people should transfer back to the person with the original problem.
Don't you people see, it's people who are the problem, not me?
