Cessna 100 and 200 SIDS
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The same happened with the 300 / 400 series SIDs .......
Were on Schedule 5, we don't need to do that!
Were on Schedule 5, we don't need to do that!
These aircraft were never designed to do the hours that some are now wracking up and Cessna at least have had the balls to admit the fact and do something about it. I would be very surprised if the other manufacturers products didn't also show similar unforeseen problems if they were subjected to a similar program. After all, wasn't there a spar failure in a Beech Mentor that was being used in a warbird scenario? The same spar that is used on the Bonanza, Baron and Duke I think.
It was a spar crack in a C402C that led to Cessna instituting the SIDS program. The aircraft had done over 22,000 hours and a pilot complained that he had run out of aileron trim to keep the wings level. The aircraft was being used as a low-capacity RPT transport.
Schedule 5 should be scrapped for aircraft where there is a manufacturers recommended maintenance schedule.
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Going on the above you wouldn't touch it unless you got it for knicks and even then it will cost you more than it's worth?
And how many of those hours are aerobatic??
And how many of those hours are aerobatic??
Riems or Cessna Dr? All Riems models were factory corrosion proofed where it was an option on the US built models. The factory corrosion proofed airframes fair a lot better.
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Mid 70's, 11,000 hour Aerobat eh? Only just over a third of its life in SIDs terms then
I'd love one of those. I learned on one when it was quite young. Really nice with the 130HP. I'd hate to think it had been doing what my instructor did to it every day for the last 40 years and gone through 40 cold, damp British winters though.
Looks like the old girl might still be going well... still in the same school 35 years later and must have something in the teens of hours by now!
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Still, if its not gone through SIDs and the wings have fallen off it would be a pity.
I'd bet its all fine though and they haven't and if it does die it won't be SIDs that kills it. I'd doubt theres any evidence whatsoever in risk management terms to suggest that this lawyer driven program has made any contribution to increased safety. What's even more silly is that the Cessna 182 maintenance manual revision of July 2012 seems to say it all has to start at 500 hours or 5 years... so in theory, even restart Cessnas are due for for a $20,000 pull apart from next year. Great work for LAMEs!
I'd love one of those. I learned on one when it was quite young. Really nice with the 130HP. I'd hate to think it had been doing what my instructor did to it every day for the last 40 years and gone through 40 cold, damp British winters though.Looks like the old girl might still be going well... still in the same school 35 years later and must have something in the teens of hours by now!
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Still, if its not gone through SIDs and the wings have fallen off it would be a pity.
I'd bet its all fine though and they haven't and if it does die it won't be SIDs that kills it. I'd doubt theres any evidence whatsoever in risk management terms to suggest that this lawyer driven program has made any contribution to increased safety. What's even more silly is that the Cessna 182 maintenance manual revision of July 2012 seems to say it all has to start at 500 hours or 5 years... so in theory, even restart Cessnas are due for for a $20,000 pull apart from next year. Great work for LAMEs!
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I'd doubt theres any evidence whatsoever in risk management terms to suggest that this lawyer driven program has made any contribution to increased safety.
This was driven by the engineers. By getting involved with SIDS Cessna have basically exposed themselves to liability issues all over again having been absolved from that mess by US legislation. If you recall Cessna stopped making piston aircraft for a time. This was due to product liability suits and the insurance premiums made the whole business a waste of time. However, Congress passed legislation that effectively put a sunset clause on product liability for aircraft. Can't remember the time period but think it was either 20 or 30 years. SIDS has opened up Cessna to liability issues for those aircraft again.
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I beg to differ. If it had been the company lawyers they would have recommended washing their hands of the whole thing.
Well..........won't be buying a Cessna then 
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How are all the Cessna 100/200 series operators going out there with SID's compliance? Just over 6 months to go on 200 series and a year on the 100s! Gonna be a few cheap Cessnas coming up I fear. 
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I have just completed the SIDS on my 210. It seems as though operators are ignoring the requirement for the SIDS to be completed.
I reckon some operators may be thinking that because they are maintaining their machines on Sched 5, this means they dont have to comply with the manufacturers maint manual which is incorrect.
The SIDS are quite comprehensive so the maint org won't be able to complete them overnight.
Add to this the fact that a lot of these aircraft have been operating in harsh environments, you can expect to find and have to repair corroded or worn parts.
Expect then long lead times on parts from Cessna..
CASA will mandate the SIDS in my opinion just as they did with the 300/400 series.
I reckon some operators may be thinking that because they are maintaining their machines on Sched 5, this means they dont have to comply with the manufacturers maint manual which is incorrect.
The SIDS are quite comprehensive so the maint org won't be able to complete them overnight.
Add to this the fact that a lot of these aircraft have been operating in harsh environments, you can expect to find and have to repair corroded or worn parts.
Expect then long lead times on parts from Cessna..
CASA will mandate the SIDS in my opinion just as they did with the 300/400 series.
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At the moment the UK maintenance industry is doing its level best to ignore the SID's checks, the problem being that as one Chief Engineer said to me "if I do this check I will loose a five aircraft contract to xxxxx who won't do he SID's unless forced to do so by the CAA".
As far as most operators in the UK are concerned they will spend as little money on they aircraft as they can and won't do anything that is not mandatory.
As far as I am concerned the SID's are mandatory in the UK and must be done, having just done one of my aircraft and half way into the second I warn you that some of the parts prices from Cessna are eye watering, however the corrosion issues are not as bad as predicted, there is about 90 hours labour in the inspection alone with rectification extra to that.
It is high time the UK CAA got its head out of the sand and started making sure that these checks are done, so far they are proving to be a toothless tiger who are putting those operators who set high standards at a big financial disadvantage to those who are skimping on maintenance by not insisting these checks are done.
As far as most operators in the UK are concerned they will spend as little money on they aircraft as they can and won't do anything that is not mandatory.
As far as I am concerned the SID's are mandatory in the UK and must be done, having just done one of my aircraft and half way into the second I warn you that some of the parts prices from Cessna are eye watering, however the corrosion issues are not as bad as predicted, there is about 90 hours labour in the inspection alone with rectification extra to that.
It is high time the UK CAA got its head out of the sand and started making sure that these checks are done, so far they are proving to be a toothless tiger who are putting those operators who set high standards at a big financial disadvantage to those who are skimping on maintenance by not insisting these checks are done.
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