Gillards Carbon Tax and effect on Aviation fuel
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Gillards Carbon Tax and effect on Aviation fuel
Well what can I say, if it was that easy to raise funding, and CASA and ATSB needed more, why don't they syphon off some of this unfair and hideous tax.
This needs to be stopped, not because all us pilots are the filthy rich playboys we all dream of being, because it is morally wrong. The sooner her government get the ar$e the better
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And they hide it in the exise, so one day we all forget.
Can somebody print stickers with this and stick them on every pump they pull up to!
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This needs to be stopped, not because all us pilots are the filthy rich playboys we all dream of being, because it is morally wrong. The sooner her government get the ar$e the better
.And they hide it in the exise, so one day we all forget.
Can somebody print stickers with this and stick them on every pump they pull up to!
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Good to know, when the flying schools up their prices it had better only be by that amount per lt/hr of fuel burn.
For a typical single ( 35 l/hr ) no more than $1.75 per hour increase, have I got my maths correct? It doesn't seem much!!
( if I read the above table correctly acpl:- Australian cents per litre)
For a typical single ( 35 l/hr ) no more than $1.75 per hour increase, have I got my maths correct? It doesn't seem much!!
( if I read the above table correctly acpl:- Australian cents per litre)
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So why is this carbon tax at something like 3% much much worse than the 10% GST we pay? We pay GST on top of excise so it's taxing a tax, why was there no railing against GST? Don't get me wrong I don't agree with a carbon tax either but surely to be consistant if you don't agree with 3% tax then the GST should be at least 3 times worse?
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There is more to it that just the simple view you are seeing here.
If the government wanted to raise taxes, then do so, raise the GST to 11% on EVERYTHING.
A carbon tax is a selective tax. Why not introduce all those stupid and varying sales taxes we had before.
Why not introduce more complex tax collection....like we had before
Why not grow another empire in the ATO....like we had before
Why give some people tax relief on a consumption we all have and not others
Mand made CO2 is the least of this countries woes
Feel free to add some more.
Some small family businesses will be up for $65,000 a year more in business costs alone, and what will be gained for it?
If the government wanted to raise taxes, then do so, raise the GST to 11% on EVERYTHING.
A carbon tax is a selective tax. Why not introduce all those stupid and varying sales taxes we had before.
Why not introduce more complex tax collection....like we had before
Why not grow another empire in the ATO....like we had before
Why give some people tax relief on a consumption we all have and not others
Mand made CO2 is the least of this countries woes
Feel free to add some more.
Some small family businesses will be up for $65,000 a year more in business costs alone, and what will be gained for it?
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The GST was promised to rid us of State tax's, Provisional tax, (by Lib's),State excise etc. etc, except dishonestly the mostly Labor States at the time decided to grab the GST plus keep the Tax's. You can probably blame the Democrats for corrupting that, but seeing as they don't exist any more, (much like what will happen to The Greens), it doesn't really matter does it?
Did anybody note in the "forecast" budget that Diesel fuel went up.
But that won't make any difference to transporting fuel to Burketown will it?
Did anybody note in the "forecast" budget that Diesel fuel went up.
But that won't make any difference to transporting fuel to Burketown will it?
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Bunch of whingers! 
We live in one of the lowest taxed countries in the world and a little carbon tax will not change a thing. After 5 years, I still can't believe how little taxes I pay here and what services I get back for it compared to the various European countries I used to live in.
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Obviously, I agree with just about every scientist in the world that the current warming of the planet is our doing, so I don't see it as revenue raising. The great thing about a selective tax is that you can avoid it by changing your ways. Every edition of Murdoch Today is filled with how our electricity bills will go up by 10%, but not a word about how ridiculously simple it is for households to lower their consumption by the same amount.
What I am wondering is what makes up the rest of the $2+ cost of AVGAS and I doubt BP would be very willing to break that down for us.
We live in one of the lowest taxed countries in the world and a little carbon tax will not change a thing. After 5 years, I still can't believe how little taxes I pay here and what services I get back for it compared to the various European countries I used to live in.Australian Exceptionalism | Pollytics
Obviously, I agree with just about every scientist in the world that the current warming of the planet is our doing, so I don't see it as revenue raising. The great thing about a selective tax is that you can avoid it by changing your ways. Every edition of Murdoch Today is filled with how our electricity bills will go up by 10%, but not a word about how ridiculously simple it is for households to lower their consumption by the same amount.
What I am wondering is what makes up the rest of the $2+ cost of AVGAS and I doubt BP would be very willing to break that down for us.
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Some small family businesses will be up for $65,000 a year more in business costs alone, and what will be gained for it?
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Hey Baswell,
It's Ok to penalize local industry through carbon emission taxes right?
It's Ok to sell coal to China and India where it is going to be burnt right?
It's Ok to force local industry off to China and India right?
China and India burn our coal in a different environment to us right?......oh wrong?......it's the same environment right?
Flown over Australia lately? Flown over China lately? Do you recall who had the pollution issue? Can you explain how this penalty upon our already diminishing manufacturing industry is going to help? Can you also enlighten us as to how this tax move in Australia is going to prevent your belief in global warming? No really, please, go ahead, we are all waiting!
Please explain without any Lefty, wind, solar, moonbeam, idealism please.
I hate a government that screws workers but I DETEST a government that screws workers while telling us they are here for us!
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It's Ok to penalize local industry through carbon emission taxes right?
It's Ok to sell coal to China and India where it is going to be burnt right?
It's Ok to force local industry off to China and India right?
China and India burn our coal in a different environment to us right?......oh wrong?......it's the same environment right?
Flown over Australia lately? Flown over China lately? Do you recall who had the pollution issue? Can you explain how this penalty upon our already diminishing manufacturing industry is going to help? Can you also enlighten us as to how this tax move in Australia is going to prevent your belief in global warming? No really, please, go ahead, we are all waiting!
Please explain without any Lefty, wind, solar, moonbeam, idealism please.
I hate a government that screws workers but I DETEST a government that screws workers while telling us they are here for us!
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Gotta start somewhere. Europe will follow soon.
Hopefully, the participants will be smart enough to start applying the tax to imports from places like China, to incentivise them to change their ways or become uncompetitive. Might even see some manufacturing come back here, using less wasteful processes, using technologies that can then be exported to others.
And we'd still be paying less tax than anyone else in the western world, just like we do now.
But that's probably too "lefty idealism" for you...
Hopefully, the participants will be smart enough to start applying the tax to imports from places like China, to incentivise them to change their ways or become uncompetitive. Might even see some manufacturing come back here, using less wasteful processes, using technologies that can then be exported to others.
And we'd still be paying less tax than anyone else in the western world, just like we do now.
But that's probably too "lefty idealism" for you...
We live in one of the lowest taxed countries in the world
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Well how about we all change our ways. We should all stop flying for a start.
Cancel our Jepps, cancel our medicals cancel our aeroclub subs, give our ipads to the kids to play games............................................
................................cancel our ozrunw##$ subscription
Surely not.
C'mon baswell........you do not really mean that do you!
Cancel our Jepps, cancel our medicals cancel our aeroclub subs, give our ipads to the kids to play games............................................
................................cancel our ozrunw##$ subscription
Surely not.
C'mon baswell........you do not really mean that do you!
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Now had the government just said, lets just raise GST to 13% and we will take all the extra revenue, and put it towards pensioners, old folks homes schools and hospitals.
I would not mind so much at all.
this tax has been nothing but lies lies and more damn lies, it is a tax to fix something that is not even broken but non existant.
If you want to slug the people of Australia, sure do it, but do it legitimately and to our faces not behind our backs with something shonky. Do it without loading up an inefficient system of collection even more.
Heck, I might whinge a lot, and I am not a Clive Palmer by any stretch, but I have some hope of dealing with the burden, many do not, and for them I really feel they will suffer not even knowing why, let alone understanding it.
Carbon Taxes have been tried for over 20 years, they did NOTHING, in fact the opposite has occured.
Taxing tobaco has worked how well???? And that is a worthy cause. CO2 is not.
I would not mind so much at all.
this tax has been nothing but lies lies and more damn lies, it is a tax to fix something that is not even broken but non existant.
If you want to slug the people of Australia, sure do it, but do it legitimately and to our faces not behind our backs with something shonky. Do it without loading up an inefficient system of collection even more.
Heck, I might whinge a lot, and I am not a Clive Palmer by any stretch, but I have some hope of dealing with the burden, many do not, and for them I really feel they will suffer not even knowing why, let alone understanding it.
Carbon Taxes have been tried for over 20 years, they did NOTHING, in fact the opposite has occured.
Taxing tobaco has worked how well????
And that is a worthy cause. CO2 is not.
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Did anyone happen to notice which new-age enviro-saving companies have been granted extra money in this new budget? After all that's why these donkeys are collecting all the extra money right?
The headline party........ What a joke!
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I agree with just about every scientist in the world that the current warming of the planet is our doing
No cuts to the only "estimated" end of year profit/loss bottom line at 30JUN 2013, include research and development, once spent on medical implications to an ageing population, but now spent on "proving the science" that the quoted hyperventilate whenever they get the chance.
Rip it out of Defence, after all the house hasn't burn't down before, so why do we need insurance. (apologies to Mr Joyce).
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It was recentlywritten- “this is yesterday's party destroying tomorrows future,it's average intelligence is on par with the children of lord of theflies and at the first sign of trouble, out come the long knives.Socialists/ Labor are the last western scourge. A party ofsuperficial solutions to non existent problems attracting fools,halfwits and bleeding hearts that can barely see through mistly eyes.
Labor policies are notjust wrong, they are dumb. This party whose core ideology has been sothoroughly discredited they will pretend to be something they are notto gain power and hide their true prosperity destruction agenda”.
It is truly amazingthat people actually admit to being followers of this party and whono doubt will continue to vote for them irrespective of the depth ofcorruption and putrifying decay.
It's as if they can'tafford a lobotomy and following Labor dogma is cheaper and achievesthe same aim.
Labor policies are notjust wrong, they are dumb. This party whose core ideology has been sothoroughly discredited they will pretend to be something they are notto gain power and hide their true prosperity destruction agenda”.
It is truly amazingthat people actually admit to being followers of this party and whono doubt will continue to vote for them irrespective of the depth ofcorruption and putrifying decay.
It's as if they can'tafford a lobotomy and following Labor dogma is cheaper and achievesthe same aim.
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You know what....what a CROC of ****!.
Baswell, I normally readily agree with you, but not on this.
The ONLY thing europe will do is sit back and watch to see in how many ways this will destroy us. We are test pilots for the whole world!!!!!.
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I cannot begin to compare this with the GST like anyone else. The GST is transparent. I can see how much I was charged, how much I need to charge out and how much I need to pay the tax man.
This Tax in its nature, is hidden. You can only ESTIMATE IT. The cost impost on ANY business is going to be huge and widely variable. Even the cost of estimating it is out of control...and beleive you me, the time I have already spent trying to accomodate it = 1 months production for myself alone...thank christ i get my advice in this area for 'free' under barter.
Forget its impost on families as being small, because the impost on business is going to be so large that the families won't have jobs to pay the dang tax anyway.
Lets have a look at my own businesses expenses just for a minute, just to show where every business in Aust is at. I'll stick with the 3% unit suggested, as its wrong, and appears is going to be closer to 7.5 %
Power. 225 pcm. (50% of that is spent running my 'green' equipment anyway.) So we can add your suggested 3% to that.
Telephone. $60 pcm. Do we add 3% to that...surely the power use is lower than that increase.
I'll group the question on the next couple, as they are variable usage.
Paint. avg $57 per litre. (we just had a 4% rise due to security costs assoc with controlled substances(read terrorism measures))
Sand paper. average $49 per pack
Masking paper $42 per roll
..........the real list is 4 pages long.
Waste disposal. $38 pcm.
So do we just add 3% to that? or do we add 3% to the cost of the product, allow 2.1% for delivery charge increases, another 11.7% for the resulting GST BONUS?
Or do i sit tight on my current hourly rate until i am able to ascertain by what % i am going broke by?
The early projections, pretty much all based on assumptions, is that my hourly rate will move from $70 +GST to more than 115 +
Can you see me surviving on that? Are you going to spend 115 ph having me restore your volkswagon beetle when it needs 200 hours of work (low figure for a turn key resto)
Seriously! I will be 300% better off renting a factory in china and including the freight on your car in my price...and i'll still be cheaper than having it done in OZ.
And if I am not mad enough, This years budget has been handed down. It includes the projected 'income' from the carbon tax. Take a look at how much of that is intended to be spent on green projects, i.e wind farms, solar technology, clean coal etc. I'm too scared to look, but u can bet your Fat A that its less than 10%.
If it was 100% then i'd STFU. this is nothing more than revenue for the current and future wally's world governments.
Do not get me wrong, I have nothing against working to help the environment. I am no greenie, but prefer to be regarded as nature concious.
Baswell, I normally readily agree with you, but not on this.
The ONLY thing europe will do is sit back and watch to see in how many ways this will destroy us. We are test pilots for the whole world!!!!!.
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I cannot begin to compare this with the GST like anyone else. The GST is transparent. I can see how much I was charged, how much I need to charge out and how much I need to pay the tax man.
This Tax in its nature, is hidden. You can only ESTIMATE IT. The cost impost on ANY business is going to be huge and widely variable. Even the cost of estimating it is out of control...and beleive you me, the time I have already spent trying to accomodate it = 1 months production for myself alone...thank christ i get my advice in this area for 'free' under barter.
Forget its impost on families as being small, because the impost on business is going to be so large that the families won't have jobs to pay the dang tax anyway.
Lets have a look at my own businesses expenses just for a minute, just to show where every business in Aust is at. I'll stick with the 3% unit suggested, as its wrong, and appears is going to be closer to 7.5 %
Power. 225 pcm. (50% of that is spent running my 'green' equipment anyway.) So we can add your suggested 3% to that.
Telephone. $60 pcm. Do we add 3% to that...surely the power use is lower than that increase.
I'll group the question on the next couple, as they are variable usage.
Paint. avg $57 per litre. (we just had a 4% rise due to security costs assoc with controlled substances(read terrorism measures))
Sand paper. average $49 per pack
Masking paper $42 per roll
..........the real list is 4 pages long.
Waste disposal. $38 pcm.
So do we just add 3% to that? or do we add 3% to the cost of the product, allow 2.1% for delivery charge increases, another 11.7% for the resulting GST BONUS?
Or do i sit tight on my current hourly rate until i am able to ascertain by what % i am going broke by?
The early projections, pretty much all based on assumptions, is that my hourly rate will move from $70 +GST to more than 115 +
Can you see me surviving on that? Are you going to spend 115 ph having me restore your volkswagon beetle when it needs 200 hours of work (low figure for a turn key resto)
Seriously! I will be 300% better off renting a factory in china and including the freight on your car in my price...and i'll still be cheaper than having it done in OZ.
And if I am not mad enough, This years budget has been handed down. It includes the projected 'income' from the carbon tax. Take a look at how much of that is intended to be spent on green projects, i.e wind farms, solar technology, clean coal etc. I'm too scared to look, but u can bet your Fat A that its less than 10%.
If it was 100% then i'd STFU. this is nothing more than revenue for the current and future wally's world governments.
Do not get me wrong, I have nothing against working to help the environment. I am no greenie, but prefer to be regarded as nature concious.
Oh Dear Jab,
There are some here who will say...Not Him again!! However......
When Dick got rid of 'Good Ole F.S.', part of the mantra was that you (we) will now get rid of the tax on AVGAS that was used to provide the funding for F.S. - 2 cents /litre or something like that - wasn't it..??
You know - 'Your Safety Will Be..... etc etc.. Cost You LESS"...??
At least, then, you (we) got 'something of value' for our 2c's worth..!!
Now, we pay much much more, and get much much less, including losing the subsidy of 'cheap' - free maps and charts.
I would just LURVE to have a system, where I 'mandated' that you (we) all HAVE to purchase various maps and charts and then I CHARGE YOU (us) whatever I like..!! After all, I just HAVE to show a PROFIT!!
And, did I mention - I'M F#@*in GREEDY!!!
'Tis just another form of taxation where the mandated authority has to show a 'profit' to the shareholder - The Govmint!!
BOTH PARTIES hold us in the same 'esteem'.....and NEITHER of them have Gumption nor clear cut policies!!!!
And, Jab, re, "and I am not a Clive Palmer by any stretch", Clive told me only yesterday that he borrowed a 'modest sum' from you....only recently...
Rant over...I'm orf to the fridge....
There are some here who will say...Not Him again!! However......
When Dick got rid of 'Good Ole F.S.', part of the mantra was that you (we) will now get rid of the tax on AVGAS that was used to provide the funding for F.S. - 2 cents /litre or something like that - wasn't it..??
You know - 'Your Safety Will Be..... etc etc.. Cost You LESS"...??
At least, then, you (we) got 'something of value' for our 2c's worth..!!
Now, we pay much much more, and get much much less, including losing the subsidy of 'cheap' - free maps and charts.
I would just LURVE to have a system, where I 'mandated' that you (we) all HAVE to purchase various maps and charts and then I CHARGE YOU (us) whatever I like..!! After all, I just HAVE to show a PROFIT!!
And, did I mention - I'M F#@*in GREEDY!!!
'Tis just another form of taxation where the mandated authority has to show a 'profit' to the shareholder - The Govmint!!
BOTH PARTIES hold us in the same 'esteem'.....and NEITHER of them have Gumption nor clear cut policies!!!!
And, Jab, re, "and I am not a Clive Palmer by any stretch", Clive told me only yesterday that he borrowed a 'modest sum' from you....only recently...
Rant over...I'm orf to the fridge....
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Yup, I mean it, carbon is a problem, a tax might help, and if it doesn't, we're still one of the lowest tax countries in the world, now with some more much needed revenue. And the tax is probably fairer than at first sight. Companies will simply pass the cost on to consumers.
Paying more for AVGAS sucks, but energy is probably better spent on seeing if we can get some investment back into aviation from the extra revenue.
As a business man, the last thing I want is lower taxes and less public services. How is that working out for the US? The pitiful wages to the majority of the population, which they then have to spend on services the government doesn't provide anymore so they can't afford to buy the goods and services from their own, or any, employers which thus have to lend them money via credit cards or mortgages funded by their employees 401(k) plans until it all blows up. (The only way they can keep it going is by colluding with OPEC to require payment for oil in USD.)
Yes, keep government honest, but judging them simply by tax rates going up or down (did I mention they are some of the lowest in the world?) is not the way to do it.
It is economic outcome that counts. And as far as I can tell, we have one of the best economies and greatest prosperity of any country in the world.
Paying more for AVGAS sucks, but energy is probably better spent on seeing if we can get some investment back into aviation from the extra revenue.
As a business man, the last thing I want is lower taxes and less public services. How is that working out for the US? The pitiful wages to the majority of the population, which they then have to spend on services the government doesn't provide anymore so they can't afford to buy the goods and services from their own, or any, employers which thus have to lend them money via credit cards or mortgages funded by their employees 401(k) plans until it all blows up. (The only way they can keep it going is by colluding with OPEC to require payment for oil in USD.)
Yes, keep government honest, but judging them simply by tax rates going up or down (did I mention they are some of the lowest in the world?) is not the way to do it.
It is economic outcome that counts. And as far as I can tell, we have one of the best economies and greatest prosperity of any country in the world.
