BFR NZ - what count's?
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BFR NZ - what count's?
Hi Guy's.
Can someone please let me know if a IFR renewal count's as a BFR? Also does a 135 reg / comp check count? If so is it for the 2 years?
Not 100% sure about this and I have heard conflicting answers. Apologies as I cannot find the information on the CAA website.
Cheers - Zk
Can someone please let me know if a IFR renewal count's as a BFR? Also does a 135 reg / comp check count? If so is it for the 2 years?
Not 100% sure about this and I have heard conflicting answers. Apologies as I cannot find the information on the CAA website.
Cheers - Zk
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The way I understand it is that if you hold a current comp check you dont need a BFR but as soon as the comp check expires you are limited by when ever you completed your last BFR or initial issue
E.g. If you sat ur cpl in march 09 from then you have been comp checked on 135 ops. Then your comp check expires in aug 11 and you dont renew it you would need to complete a BFR to carry passangers even privately. Obviously if you wanted to do hire or reward you would need a comp check anyway which would count as a BFR for the 6 months that it is valid.
I could be wrong but this is what I explained to my testing officer when I did my C Cat and he agreed.
Dont know about the ifr renewal though.
E.g. If you sat ur cpl in march 09 from then you have been comp checked on 135 ops. Then your comp check expires in aug 11 and you dont renew it you would need to complete a BFR to carry passangers even privately. Obviously if you wanted to do hire or reward you would need a comp check anyway which would count as a BFR for the 6 months that it is valid.
I could be wrong but this is what I explained to my testing officer when I did my C Cat and he agreed.
Dont know about the ifr renewal though.
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The best options is always to ask those who'll be getting grumpy at you if you fly illegally.
Call the CAA and ask for the personal licensing unit. There are misconceptions regarding the validity of OCAs, etc, in regards to BFRs that could cause you trouble, and is an issue of particular attention at the moment.
People interpret things differently, so I always recommend going to the source.
Call the CAA and ask for the personal licensing unit. There are misconceptions regarding the validity of OCAs, etc, in regards to BFRs that could cause you trouble, and is an issue of particular attention at the moment.
People interpret things differently, so I always recommend going to the source.
My understanding is that if the I/R renewal, the OCA or any other such check flight is specifically signed off as meeting the requirements of the BFR then you are good to go, if the sign off doesn't mention the BFR then you will need to do one 24 months after the previous BFR.
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Pt 61.39
Rule part 61.39 on Biennial flight review states the following, pretty clear cut really.
(b) The holder of a pilot licence issued in accordance with this Part is not
required to complete a biennial flight review required by paragraph (a) if the
holder—
(1) meets the applicable flight crew competency check requirements
prescribed in Parts 119 and 121, 125 or 135; or
required to complete a biennial flight review required by paragraph (a) if the
holder—
(1) meets the applicable flight crew competency check requirements
prescribed in Parts 119 and 121, 125 or 135; or
(2) meets the agricultural currency requirements prescribed in rule
61.707; or
(3) holds a current Category A, B, or C flight instructor rating.
61.707; or
(3) holds a current Category A, B, or C flight instructor rating.
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The rules/requirements around BFR's changed a few years back.
Essentially, a BFR is a BFR, an OCA is an OCA. You will no longer see "this satisfies the requirements of Part 61 blah blah for a BFR" written on the bottom of your latest check sticker, and if you do, your company logbook stickers are out of date. This article in the Vector magazine will save me some typing or pasting CAR's/AC's.
See page 18.
http://www.caa.govt.nz/Publications/...tor_2011-4.pdf
Cheers.
Essentially, a BFR is a BFR, an OCA is an OCA. You will no longer see "this satisfies the requirements of Part 61 blah blah for a BFR" written on the bottom of your latest check sticker, and if you do, your company logbook stickers are out of date. This article in the Vector magazine will save me some typing or pasting CAR's/AC's.
See page 18.
http://www.caa.govt.nz/Publications/...tor_2011-4.pdf
Cheers.
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Thank's Kiwi that is what I was looking for. One part of that I don't quite understand.. O.k so the candidate meets the requirements for a competency under Part 135. Does that comp check mean that the individual is exempt from doing a BFR for a period of 2 years for private flying purposes?
Have rung the CAA today but it seems they work "gentlemen's hour's." May hear back from them tomorrow.
Cheers - Zk
Have rung the CAA today but it seems they work "gentlemen's hour's." May hear back from them tomorrow.
Cheers - Zk
Rule 61.39
(b) The holder of a pilot licence issued in accordance with this Part is not required to complete a biennial flight review required by paragraph (a) if the
holder—(1) meets the applicable flight crew competency check requirements
prescribed in Parts 119 and 121, 125 or 135;
(b) The holder of a pilot licence issued in accordance with this Part is not required to complete a biennial flight review required by paragraph (a) if the
holder—(1) meets the applicable flight crew competency check requirements
prescribed in Parts 119 and 121, 125 or 135;
If you leave your employer then the question would be are you are OK until your OCA expires? I would say you are OK until then, except for the IR if it was completed as a competency demonstration as opposed to an IR flight test.
Remember when asking CAA their opinion it is just that, an opinion! It is the role of the courts to decide what the rules mean. The title of the rule is that they are made by Parliament and signed by the Minister of Transport, so the CAA don't make the rules.
It is compiled from the official ordinary rules that have been signed into law by the Minister of Transport and rule amendments made by Parliament in the Civil Aviation Act 1990.
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Donkey123.
That's an informative read. Very remiss of me I know but I hadn't got around to unwrapping the "Vector". Very often I find them full of CAA propaganda, and so don't always bother to open them when they arrive. This one is full of good information.
I've been edumacted!!!!!
That's an informative read. Very remiss of me I know but I hadn't got around to unwrapping the "Vector". Very often I find them full of CAA propaganda, and so don't always bother to open them when they arrive. This one is full of good information.
I've been edumacted!!!!!
zk850
From reading the Vector it would appear that a Part 135 check covers the BFR requirements for the period of validity of the OCA.
From the Vector Article
O.k so the candidate meets the requirements for a competency under Part 135. Does that comp check mean that the individual is exempt from doing a BFR for a period of 2 years for private flying purposes?
From the Vector Article
In order to exercise the privileges of your licence you
must have successfully completed a BFR in the previous
24 months. There are three exceptions to this, however.
»» Professional pilots who fly for an operator certificated
under Part 119, may exercise the privileges of their licence
as long as they meet the operational competency requirements
set out in Part 135, 125, or 121 (whichever is relevant
to their operation). These six-monthly or annual competency
demonstrations (OCAs) are specific to their operation,
approved by CAA, and ensure that a pilot’s core skills and
knowledge are up to standard at more frequent intervals
than a BFR.
»» Agricultural pilots are not required to complete a BFR,
as long as they meet the annual currency requirements
set out in Part 137, their logbook is endorsed, and form
24137/04 or 05 is submitted to the CAA.
»» The last exception is for current Category A, B, and C
instructors. Category B and C instructors demonstrate
their competence annually, and category A instructors
biennially (to a CAA examiner).
must have successfully completed a BFR in the previous
24 months. There are three exceptions to this, however.
»» Professional pilots who fly for an operator certificated
under Part 119, may exercise the privileges of their licence
as long as they meet the operational competency requirements
set out in Part 135, 125, or 121 (whichever is relevant
to their operation). These six-monthly or annual competency
demonstrations (OCAs) are specific to their operation,
approved by CAA, and ensure that a pilot’s core skills and
knowledge are up to standard at more frequent intervals
than a BFR.
»» Agricultural pilots are not required to complete a BFR,
as long as they meet the annual currency requirements
set out in Part 137, their logbook is endorsed, and form
24137/04 or 05 is submitted to the CAA.
»» The last exception is for current Category A, B, and C
instructors. Category B and C instructors demonstrate
their competence annually, and category A instructors
biennially (to a CAA examiner).
OCAs
An operational competency demonstration is not, as some
may think, the same thing as a BFR, and it does not allow
you to exercise the privileges of your licence for a further
24 months, like a BFR does. It covers you only for the validity
period allocated to that particular competency demonstration
(six or 12 months as applicable) and cannot be extended.
If operational competency or flight instructor currency expires,
you immediately revert to student pilot privileges and each
flight must be authorised by an instructor. You then have
three options: complete an OCA or instructor competency
test; do a BFR; or exercise student privileges
An operational competency demonstration is not, as some
may think, the same thing as a BFR, and it does not allow
you to exercise the privileges of your licence for a further
24 months, like a BFR does. It covers you only for the validity
period allocated to that particular competency demonstration
(six or 12 months as applicable) and cannot be extended.
If operational competency or flight instructor currency expires,
you immediately revert to student pilot privileges and each
flight must be authorised by an instructor. You then have
three options: complete an OCA or instructor competency
test; do a BFR; or exercise student privileges
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BFR NZ - what counts?
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Thanks guys
Good luck
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BFR NZ - what counts?
and
Thanks guys
Good luck
