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Last month's diatribe from 'Herr Führer' was another in a long line of 'das Memo' giving more 'spinnen'. A fellow flat lander down the road was asked about the latest 'Herr Führer' proclammation and was quoted as saying;
Or the dreaded 'gas chamber'!
About sums it up really!
“An amazing piece of violation and distortion of the truth. But the bottom line is .... no change, back to the good old days. Buzz controls the thugs Woody and ‘Oh weird one’ while 'Herr Führer'keeps the new Luftwaffe T&C man "compliant". The outcome is actually worse than the situation was last week. All the crooks are back in their seats.
Don't let anyone bring safety matters to the attention of the crooks because the result will be blocked promotion, sneaky dismissal etc.
Revolting really...”.
Don't let anyone bring safety matters to the attention of the crooks because the result will be blocked promotion, sneaky dismissal etc.
Revolting really...”.
About sums it up really!
Rumour is that 'Herr Führer' has struck a deal with the bureau and the regulator, hence the rubber stamped audit and the shuffling of key personnel.
My source tells me that apparently the same
indicated that this incident:Investigation: AO-2012-009 - Runway Excursion - Dornier 328,VH-PPJ, Horn Island, Queensland, 10 January 2012 is about to be downgraded to less serious. No wonder it is slowly being pushed down the pages! "Well MD, shonky deal or not, we're monitoring that one so don't think you can discreetly delete it off the database!"
My source tells me that apparently the same
'das Memo'
"Well MD, shonky deal or not, we're monitoring that one so don't think you can discreetly delete it off the database!"
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That's no rumour!
That Horn Island incident seems to be taking a long time to investigate or is that normal?
The memo did indicate that it had been downgraded but it shouldn't be as there have been several similar incidents that weren't reported, even internally. The experience levels of flight crew are dropping and they lack currency and there is no bona fide T&C system, it is all just Check and Chop.
While we keep loosing experienced drivers there will be more and more of these Horn Island incidents so please Mr ATSB get on with your investigation and don't let it become a political football.
The memo did indicate that it had been downgraded but it shouldn't be as there have been several similar incidents that weren't reported, even internally. The experience levels of flight crew are dropping and they lack currency and there is no bona fide T&C system, it is all just Check and Chop.
While we keep loosing experienced drivers there will be more and more of these Horn Island incidents so please Mr ATSB get on with your investigation and don't let it become a political football.
I don't know about anyone else but isn't it about time the regulator took a good hard look at the orange cancer mob, oh that's right
, I forgot, their related to the red rat!
Ben Sandilands the 'lone voice' in journo circles is onto them though
.....Jetstar pilot mobile txting stuff up uncovered by ATSB | Plane Talking 
, I forgot, their related to the red rat!Ben Sandilands the 'lone voice' in journo circles is onto them though
.....Jetstar pilot mobile txting stuff up uncovered by ATSB | Plane Talking
Over on the other thread, see here:http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-reporting...atigued-4.html what seems to have gone amiss is Ben's secondary blog to the Jetstar incident Jetstar report is reason to inquire into CASA and carrier | Plane Talking the link is there but people have payed it scance attention!
Again Ben is spot on with his questioning; 'where was the regulator in all this'? The regulator hole in the now mouldy bit of 'orange cancerous cheese', is just passed over, almost accepted as a given these days.....sheesh...
..me...TICK...TOCK!
Jetstar report is reason to inquire into CASA and carrier | Plane Talking the link is there but people have payed it scance attention!Again Ben is spot on with his questioning; 'where was the regulator in all this'? The regulator hole in the now mouldy bit of 'orange cancerous cheese', is just passed over, almost accepted as a given these days.....sheesh...
..me...TICK...TOCK!
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What is happening to this investigation Mr ATSB?
Investigation: AO-2012-009 - Runway Excursion - Dornier 328,VH-PPJ, Horn Island, Queensland, 10 January 2012
With a report pending, there is a heightened risk with this mob, of it happening again! We believe this incident highlights the deficiencies of the C&T system (or should I say the check and chop system).
By the Bureau sitting on their hands while CASA strike a dodgy deal with the Furher is so totally against your principals Mr ATSB. So please release this report, it is important to affect a change.
Investigation: AO-2012-009 - Runway Excursion - Dornier 328,VH-PPJ, Horn Island, Queensland, 10 January 2012
With a report pending, there is a heightened risk with this mob, of it happening again! We believe this incident highlights the deficiencies of the C&T system (or should I say the check and chop system).
By the Bureau sitting on their hands while CASA strike a dodgy deal with the Furher is so totally against your principals Mr ATSB. So please release this report, it is important to affect a change.
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'where was the regulator in all this'? The regulator hole in the now mouldy bit of 'orange cancerous cheese', is just passed over, almost accepted as a given these days.....sheesh...
..me...TICK...TOCK!
Me thinks it was Norwegian Cheese, they never thought the unthinkable could happen , but it did.
The holes will line up it is inevitable, then the rats in the regulator will run for cover.
I just hope it never happens while I am alive.
..me...TICK...TOCK!Me thinks it was Norwegian Cheese, they never thought the unthinkable could happen , but it did.
The holes will line up it is inevitable, then the rats in the regulator will run for cover.
I just hope it never happens while I am alive.
The HID incident was just one in a long list of similar events dating back to not long before this company's inception, the ownly difference being that it was the first incident to be properly reported by a responsible Captain and crew....and that is the quandary that the bureau, regulator and company now find themselves in!
However that doesn't excuse not releasing the final report for what should be a relatively simple investigation...
However that doesn't excuse not releasing the final report for what should be a relatively simple investigation...
Finally Out pg26
Makes for an interesting read:
Probably has greater implications for the Essendon incident as that was conducted by a Check Pilot, who it would appear has operated the aircraft in direct contravention to the AFOM:
Accident Investigation Branch conducted an
%20328-100,%20G-BWIR%202-06.pdf
This was interesting as well:
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What they fail to mention is that the external advisor is a mate of 'Herr Führer' and that Simulator training is about to become mandatory for this category of aircraft.
The safety message has a few clangers also:
"utilising correct handling techniques": Not sure if 'stick shaker climbs' or 'timing main wheels elevated' while demonstrating x-wind technique (unless your a test pilot) would qualify.
"these techniques are reinforced through ongoing mentoring, re-currency training and proficiency testing.": Mentoring is a bit of a joke and the re-currency training, well recurrency maybe, but the training forget it, however the proficiency testing is spot on as it is a classic 'check and chop' system!
There is a lot to learn from this incident but unfortunately those who should be taking notice have got the blinkers and earmuffs firmly positioned!
Probably has greater implications for the Essendon incident as that was conducted by a Check Pilot, who it would appear has operated the aircraft in direct contravention to the AFOM:
ATSB comment
In 1995, a runway excursion incident involving a
Dornier 328-100 occurred in London. The UK Air
Dornier 328-100 occurred in London. The UK Air
Accident Investigation Branch conducted an
investigation into that incident and found that due
to the aircraft being held in a more nose-up attitude
than normal, the nose wheel steering system did
not engage, resulting in the crew being unable to
maintain directional control.
The AAIB issued a safety recommendation to
AvCraft, the Dornier 328 type certificate holder, to
produce guidance to all Dornier 328 operators
regarding post-touchdown elevator handling and
the implications of the nose leg weight-on-wheels
switch not being activated. This has since been
incorporated in the Dornier 328-100 Airplane
Operating Manual.
The full report can be found by following this link:
to the aircraft being held in a more nose-up attitude
than normal, the nose wheel steering system did
not engage, resulting in the crew being unable to
maintain directional control.
The AAIB issued a safety recommendation to
AvCraft, the Dornier 328 type certificate holder, to
produce guidance to all Dornier 328 operators
regarding post-touchdown elevator handling and
the implications of the nose leg weight-on-wheels
switch not being activated. This has since been
incorporated in the Dornier 328-100 Airplane
Operating Manual.
The full report can be found by following this link:
%20328-100,%20G-BWIR%202-06.pdf
•
an external advisor has been recruited to review
the organisations safety system and check and
training program
training program
•
the organisation is assessing the introduction of
simulator training.
simulator training.
What they fail to mention is that the external advisor is a mate of 'Herr Führer' and that Simulator training is about to become mandatory for this category of aircraft.
The safety message has a few clangers also:
This incident highlights the need for utilising correct
handling techniques. It is also essential that pilots
are taught precise methods for operating the
aircraft and that these techniques are reinforced
through ongoing mentoring, re-currency training
and proficiency testing.
Subtle deviations from approved handling methods
can have significant implications with other
operating systems and may have an impact on the
overall handling of the aircrafthandling techniques. It is also essential that pilots
are taught precise methods for operating the
aircraft and that these techniques are reinforced
through ongoing mentoring, re-currency training
and proficiency testing.
Subtle deviations from approved handling methods
can have significant implications with other
operating systems and may have an impact on the
"these techniques are reinforced through ongoing mentoring, re-currency training and proficiency testing.": Mentoring is a bit of a joke and the re-currency training, well recurrency maybe, but the training forget it, however the proficiency testing is spot on as it is a classic 'check and chop' system!
There is a lot to learn from this incident but unfortunately those who should be taking notice have got the blinkers and earmuffs firmly positioned!
