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Old 3rd Apr 2012, 08:17   #101 (permalink)
 
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Rumour is that 'Herr Führer' has struck a deal with the bureau and the regulator, hence the rubber stamped audit and the shuffling of key personnel.

My source tells me that apparently the same
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'das Memo'
indicated that this incident:Investigation: AO-2012-009 - Runway Excursion - Dornier 328,VH-PPJ, Horn Island, Queensland, 10 January 2012 is about to be downgraded to less serious. No wonder it is slowly being pushed down the pages! "Well MD, shonky deal or not, we're monitoring that one so don't think you can discreetly delete it off the database!"

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Old 13th Apr 2012, 21:49   #102 (permalink)
 
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That's no rumour!

That Horn Island incident seems to be taking a long time to investigate or is that normal?
The memo did indicate that it had been downgraded but it shouldn't be as there have been several similar incidents that weren't reported, even internally. The experience levels of flight crew are dropping and they lack currency and there is no bona fide T&C system, it is all just Check and Chop.
While we keep loosing experienced drivers there will be more and more of these Horn Island incidents so please Mr ATSB get on with your investigation and don't let it become a political football.
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Old 19th Apr 2012, 07:19   #103 (permalink)
 
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I don't know about anyone else but isn't it about time the regulator took a good hard look at the orange cancer mob, oh that's right, I forgot, their related to the red rat!

Ben Sandilands the 'lone voice' in journo circles is onto them though.....Jetstar pilot mobile txting stuff up uncovered by ATSB | Plane Talking
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Over on the other thread, see here:http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-reporting...atigued-4.html what seems to have gone amiss is Ben's secondary blog to the Jetstar incident Jetstar report is reason to inquire into CASA and carrier | Plane Talking the link is there but people have payed it scance attention!

Again Ben is spot on with his questioning; 'where was the regulator in all this'? The regulator hole in the now mouldy bit of 'orange cancerous cheese', is just passed over, almost accepted as a given these days.....sheesh.....me...TICK...TOCK!
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Old 2nd May 2012, 10:18   #105 (permalink)

 
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What is happening to this investigation Mr ATSB?

Investigation: AO-2012-009 - Runway Excursion - Dornier 328,VH-PPJ, Horn Island, Queensland, 10 January 2012

With a report pending, there is a heightened risk with this mob, of it happening again! We believe this incident highlights the deficiencies of the C&T system (or should I say the check and chop system).

By the Bureau sitting on their hands while CASA strike a dodgy deal with the Furher is so totally against your principals Mr ATSB. So please release this report, it is important to affect a change.
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Old 2nd May 2012, 19:09   #106 (permalink)
 
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'where was the regulator in all this'? The regulator hole in the now mouldy bit of 'orange cancerous cheese', is just passed over, almost accepted as a given these days.....sheesh.....me...TICK...TOCK!

Me thinks it was Norwegian Cheese, they never thought the unthinkable could happen , but it did.

The holes will line up it is inevitable, then the rats in the regulator will run for cover.

I just hope it never happens while I am alive.
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Old 2nd May 2012, 22:03   #107 (permalink)
 
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The HID incident was just one in a long list of similar events dating back to not long before this company's inception, the ownly difference being that it was the first incident to be properly reported by a responsible Captain and crew....and that is the quandary that the bureau, regulator and company now find themselves in!

However that doesn't excuse not releasing the final report for what should be a relatively simple investigation...
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Old 23rd May 2012, 07:00   #108 (permalink)
 
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Finally Out pg26

Makes for an interesting read:

Probably has greater implications for the Essendon incident as that was conducted by a Check Pilot, who it would appear has operated the aircraft in direct contravention to the AFOM:
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ATSB comment
In 1995, a runway excursion incident involving a
Dornier 328-100 occurred in London. The UK Air

Accident Investigation Branch conducted an
investigation into that incident and found that due
to the aircraft being held in a more nose-up attitude
than normal, the nose wheel steering system did
not engage, resulting in the crew being unable to
maintain directional control.
The AAIB issued a safety recommendation to
AvCraft, the Dornier 328 type certificate holder, to
produce guidance to all Dornier 328 operators
regarding post-touchdown elevator handling and
the implications of the nose leg weight-on-wheels
switch not being activated. This has since been
incorporated in the Dornier 328-100 Airplane
Operating Manual.
The full report can be found by following this link:

%20328-100,%20G-BWIR%202-06.pdf
This was interesting as well:

Quote:



an external advisor has been recruited to review
the organisations safety system and check and
training program


the organisation is assessing the introduction of
simulator training.


What they fail to mention is that the external advisor is a mate of 'Herr Führer' and that Simulator training is about to become mandatory for this category of aircraft.

The safety message has a few clangers also:

Quote:

This incident highlights the need for utilising correct
handling techniques. It is also essential that pilots
are taught precise methods for operating the
aircraft and that these techniques are reinforced
through ongoing mentoring, re-currency training
and proficiency testing.
Subtle deviations from approved handling methods
can have significant implications with other
operating systems and may have an impact on the
overall handling of the aircraft
"utilising correct handling techniques": Not sure if 'stick shaker climbs' or 'timing main wheels elevated' while demonstrating x-wind technique (unless your a test pilot) would qualify.

"these techniques are reinforced through ongoing mentoring, re-currency training and proficiency testing.": Mentoring is a bit of a joke and the re-currency training, well recurrency maybe, but the training forget it, however the proficiency testing is spot on as it is a classic 'check and chop' system!

There is a lot to learn from this incident but unfortunately those who should be taking notice have got the blinkers and earmuffs firmly positioned!
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