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Old 22nd Mar 2011, 22:02   #1 (permalink)
 
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low level endorsement

Hello

Need to do a low level endorsement on the east coast.
Have looked at threads here but quite old.
Does anyone know of operators that can do this please.
Google turned up only one.
I know some ag operators do one but I dont have a tail dragger rating.
Would prefer NSW as Sydney is closest.

Thankyou
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Old 22nd Mar 2011, 22:28   #2 (permalink)
 
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There is actually no low level endorsement syllabus. Jobs done on so called "low level" endorsements include powerline inspection and survey work. Both of these jobs would be a lot safer if the pilot did an AG rating which doesn't just cover actual AGwork but flying in all sorts of situations with heavily loaded aircraft down low.
It's crazy a bare commercial can do 4 or 5 hours of so called "Low level endorsement" then load up a 182 with full fuel and 2 observers and go out in hot weather 10 feet above power lines. In these days of strict liability it will come back to bite CASA on the bum.
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Old 23rd Mar 2011, 00:50   #3 (permalink)
 
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Talk to Curtis at Camden about it. They do bush strips, tail dragger etc and should be able to come up with something.
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Old 23rd Mar 2011, 02:13   #4 (permalink)
 
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Another vote for Curtis

you could also call New England Flight Training at Armidale.
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Old 23rd Mar 2011, 05:02   #5 (permalink)
 
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The only low level qualifications are the ag rating and the mustering endorsement. Unfortunately CASA has allowed the mustering syllabus in CAO29.1 to be hijacked so people are now going around talking about a low level endorsement as though it is a stand alone qualification. At best it is low level training. The requirement for 5 hours low level training in CAO29.1 is used but the requirement for an additional 10 hours operational training and direct supervision by a CASA approved person seems to be ignored. CASA has allowed a grey area to develop and would appear to not be in a hurry to resolve it. If you raise the subject with there flight ops staff you get a lot of ums and ahs. In the mean time a quick google search will bring up gems like this from the web page of a flying school.

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If you require a low level endorsement for your next position, look no further. Our Chief Pilot and Chief Flying Instructor, with thousands of hours of agricultural flying, can teach you everything there is to know about low level flying. The endorsement takes approximately 5 hours of flying time and can be achieved in as little as two days.
This endorsement qualifies you to fly at low level, and is a regulatory requirement to conduct low level work such as involved in aerial survey, bird spotting and mustering.
Our minimum requirement is 200 Hours total flight time
"teach you everything there is to know about low level flying" all in 5 easy hours. You've got to be kidding. Its a wonder there is not a set of steak knives thrown in.
There is a lot of low level work that is not ag or mustering but it does need CASA to provide a stand alone qualification and training syllabus so there are no grey areas.
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Old 23rd Mar 2011, 07:42   #6 (permalink)
 
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Thanks Guys

Thanks chaps

Waiting on reply from Curtis and talked to Armidale so its looking good.

I agree with you both on the minimum requirement.
Ag rating is the aim but at around 20K would have to sell the kids or missus.

Cheers guys

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Old 23rd Mar 2011, 08:44   #7 (permalink)
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There is no such thing as a low level endorsement. Nor can AG pilots conduct low level operations other than ag ops unless they complete a flight test. See CAO 29.10.8.1 and 9.1

CASA accept training for low level ops iaw the Syllabus in paras 1 and 2 (aeroplane) or 3 (helicopter) in Appendix 1 to CAO 20.10.

Most AOC holders should have a syllabus in their OM. This syllabus should be iaw the Syllabus in paras 1 and 2 or 3 in Appendix 1 to CAO 20.10.

Student helicopter pilots do get periods of low flying training but this training is iaw the Day VFR Syllabus.

It is a very grey area that really needs rectifying.
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Old 17th Feb 2014, 23:05   #8 (permalink)
 
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Hi, thought I would add some information to this that I have just found out, and for anyone searching in the future.
Low Level training is built into the NZ licence syllabus. So to get this Australian endorsement for any kiwis, get an ATO to sight your logbook and see you have done more than 5hrs low level training, get a sticker in the logbook, copy and send to CASA, done!
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Old 18th Feb 2014, 01:29   #9 (permalink)
 
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Danger Low Level

It will become a 'rating' under part 61.
In the meantime I don't see how it can hurt to undertake the 5 hours 'training' as referred to above.

Did mine several years ago and learnt heaps.
Be careful where you choose as they are two different types of training (Ag vs Mustering).
I believe the Ag LL does not count toward a mustering.
Mine was done IAW 29.10 and there are only 1 or 2 guys in the country I would highly recommend.
One in particular travels oz to do for some major companies.
PM me for details.

Last edited by C206driver; 19th Feb 2014 at 09:11. Reason: Verified part 61 change
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Old 18th Feb 2014, 08:02   #10 (permalink)
 
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In these days of strict liability it will come back to bite CASA on the bum.
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CASA has allowed a grey area to develop
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It is a very grey area that really needs rectifying.
Well, we can see where you blokes sit. Just let me hear no complaints from you as the rule books and legislation get thicker and thicker and thicker.
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It's crazy a bare commercial can do 4 or 5 hours of so called "Low level endorsement" then load up a 182 with full fuel and 2 observers and go out in hot weather 10 feet above power lines. In these days of strict liability it will come back to bite CASA on the bum.
Nothing crazy here Cecil except for the Chief Pilot who allows this to happen. Reality is, the system seems to work. Outside of mustering and ag, is there any accident statistics that points to more legislation being required?
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