Need to do a low level endorsement on the east coast. Have looked at threads here but quite old. Does anyone know of operators that can do this please. Google turned up only one. I know some ag operators do one but I dont have a tail dragger rating. Would prefer NSW as Sydney is closest.
There is actually no low level endorsement syllabus. Jobs done on so called "low level" endorsements include powerline inspection and survey work. Both of these jobs would be a lot safer if the pilot did an AG rating which doesn't just cover actual AGwork but flying in all sorts of situations with heavily loaded aircraft down low. It's crazy a bare commercial can do 4 or 5 hours of so called "Low level endorsement" then load up a 182 with full fuel and 2 observers and go out in hot weather 10 feet above power lines. In these days of strict liability it will come back to bite CASA on the bum.
The only low level qualifications are the ag rating and the mustering endorsement. Unfortunately CASA has allowed the mustering syllabus in CAO29.1 to be hijacked so people are now going around talking about a low level endorsement as though it is a stand alone qualification. At best it is low level training. The requirement for 5 hours low level training in CAO29.1 is used but the requirement for an additional 10 hours operational training and direct supervision by a CASA approved person seems to be ignored. CASA has allowed a grey area to develop and would appear to not be in a hurry to resolve it. If you raise the subject with there flight ops staff you get a lot of ums and ahs. In the mean time a quick google search will bring up gems like this from the web page of a flying school.
If you require a low level endorsement for your next position, look no further. Our Chief Pilot and Chief Flying Instructor, with thousands of hours of agricultural flying, can teach you everything there is to know about low level flying. The endorsement takes approximately 5 hours of flying time and can be achieved in as little as two days. This endorsement qualifies you to fly at low level, and is a regulatory requirement to conduct low level work such as involved in aerial survey, bird spotting and mustering. Our minimum requirement is 200 Hours total flight time
"teach you everything there is to know about low level flying" all in 5 easy hours. You've got to be kidding. Its a wonder there is not a set of steak knives thrown in. There is a lot of low level work that is not ag or mustering but it does need CASA to provide a stand alone qualification and training syllabus so there are no grey areas.
Hi, thought I would add some information to this that I have just found out, and for anyone searching in the future. Low Level training is built into the NZ licence syllabus. So to get this Australian endorsement for any kiwis, get an ATO to sight your logbook and see you have done more than 5hrs low level training, get a sticker in the logbook, copy and send to CASA, done!
It will become a 'rating' under part 61. In the meantime I don't see how it can hurt to undertake the 5 hours 'training' as referred to above.
Did mine several years ago and learnt heaps. Be careful where you choose as they are two different types of training (Ag vs Mustering). I believe the Ag LL does not count toward a mustering. Mine was done IAW 29.10 and there are only 1 or 2 guys in the country I would highly recommend. One in particular travels oz to do for some major companies. PM me for details.
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Reason: Verified part 61 change
In these days of strict liability it will come back to bite CASA on the bum.
CASA has allowed a grey area to develop
It is a very grey area that really needs rectifying.
Well, we can see where you blokes sit. Just let me hear no complaints from you as the rule books and legislation get thicker and thicker and thicker.
It's crazy a bare commercial can do 4 or 5 hours of so called "Low level endorsement" then load up a 182 with full fuel and 2 observers and go out in hot weather 10 feet above power lines. In these days of strict liability it will come back to bite CASA on the bum.
Nothing crazy here Cecil except for the Chief Pilot who allows this to happen. Reality is, the system seems to work. Outside of mustering and ag, is there any accident statistics that points to more legislation being required?
Does anyone have any up to date information on who is doing the Low Level Endorsement at the moment? There is not much on the net and a lot of companies are temporarily not doing them due to some confusion with Part 61. Any info would be great. Cheers
Five hours of dual low flying instruction is a rip-off just like five hours of tail wheel endorsement is a rip-off. In another era, dual low flying at 200 feet was part of the PPL practice forced landing training in the designated low flying area.During PPL navigation training, low flying was then incorporated into a navex for 15 minutes on one or two legs prior to the final PPL test. There are a few minor aspects to low flying that are easily demonstrated by a competent instructor, but over the years it seems people have greatly exaggerated the basic handling skills needed for low flying and thus significantly increased the cost to the student via more hours.