GA Training in Canberra...going...going...gone!
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GA Training in Canberra...going...going...gone!
News splashed over the front page of today's Canberra Times reports ( no links as it's not on their website) that Brindabella's Flight training school will close to new students in April, doors to the school for the remaining students will close in September. ( no link to Brindabella either as it's not on their website - yet)
The owners cite various Government cost increases as the main factor in the schools closure, no mention of the airport owners (private company) or insurance costs but I should imagine that it's a mixture of all three.
One of the owners stated that there's plenty of students but its Government policy and rising costs that have led to the closure.
Three full time and seven part time potions will be lost, looks like the guys and gals will have to go north or west for work.
In 2000 there were six flying schools in Canberra with Brindabella being the last to close their doors. There are no other options in Canberra for GA Training, an hour and a half's drive on the Hume north to Goulburn (under new owners with big plans for a major Sydney freight airport) or south to Cooma will see any your training requirements met.
So, who's to blame? Government, Airport owner or nobody....just 'the state of the industry'.
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The owners cite various Government cost increases as the main factor in the schools closure, no mention of the airport owners (private company) or insurance costs but I should imagine that it's a mixture of all three.
One of the owners stated that there's plenty of students but its Government policy and rising costs that have led to the closure.
Three full time and seven part time potions will be lost, looks like the guys and gals will have to go north or west for work.
In 2000 there were six flying schools in Canberra with Brindabella being the last to close their doors. There are no other options in Canberra for GA Training, an hour and a half's drive on the Hume north to Goulburn (under new owners with big plans for a major Sydney freight airport) or south to Cooma will see any your training requirements met.
So, who's to blame? Government, Airport owner or nobody....just 'the state of the industry'.
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Yep, it's a bit sad that. But I think the writing has been on the wall for a while. The Canberra Airport Group don't want GA here. At least, not at their airport and the ACT government doesn't seem too interested in financing a small GA strip within reach.As a student pilot in Canberra who has (fortunately) just passed my GFPT I am now scratching my head and wondering what to do, and where to go, now! I guess, to find the silver lining, at least my per hour flying costs should come down. Where ever I decide to go!
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GA dead in Canberra. Try all of australia. I blame the support from government agencies. We are well well behind other countries and still living in the ice age with this.
need to remember there are very few pilots to fly their jets without training in GA.
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YMMB has been quiet since Christmas
GA is certainly NOT dead.
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Are the people at Moruya still doing flying training. Their website seems pretty up to date but that's about all I know of them.
Not much good for CPL'ers, but might be ok for a part-timer "doing the PPL because I always wanted to" person like me.
Not much good for CPL'ers, but might be ok for a part-timer "doing the PPL because I always wanted to" person like me.
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Graham at the Moruya Aero Club is well worth the trip. Great instructor, with plenty of experience. Don't be fooled by the 'club' thing - he means business.
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Relatively close to Canberra, check out Smartair www.smartair.com.au in Albury.
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For all GFPT, PPL or prosepective CPL/ATPL holders take a look at Recreational Aviation flying schools/clubs in the Canberra region. Cooma/Polo Flat is extremely active.
Recreational Aircraft offer fun flying at a fraction of the cost of GA. They are absolutely no different to your Cessna or Piper, apart from being more fun and better to fly with more performance.
RAAus intructors are dedicated and knowlegable people, there because they love flying and not just to build hours. Many have come from distinguished flying careers (One gentleman in particular) and will teach you to fly stick and rudder (In other words, properly).
Some of your hours count one for one for PPL up to a limit of 40 hours, CPL and 750 hours (From memory) towards an ATPL.
Put the fun back into flying, go for it!
Recreational Aircraft offer fun flying at a fraction of the cost of GA. They are absolutely no different to your Cessna or Piper, apart from being more fun and better to fly with more performance.
RAAus intructors are dedicated and knowlegable people, there because they love flying and not just to build hours. Many have come from distinguished flying careers (One gentleman in particular) and will teach you to fly stick and rudder (In other words, properly).
Some of your hours count one for one for PPL up to a limit of 40 hours, CPL and 750 hours (From memory) towards an ATPL.
Put the fun back into flying, go for it!
Last edited by SW3; 17th Mar 2010 at 03:30.
SW3,
The confusion surrounding RAAus hours counting towards a CPL has just been put to rest in another thread. They count towards a PPL, but not towards a CPL at all.
You can count up to 750 hours of group A ultralight time towards an ATPL.
The confusion surrounding RAAus hours counting towards a CPL has just been put to rest in another thread. They count towards a PPL, but not towards a CPL at all.
You can count up to 750 hours of group A ultralight time towards an ATPL.
No SW3, RAA hours do not count. See this thread
http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...624-raa-3.html
I highlight post #42, in particular the quote below from Horation Leafblower
I'm not knocking RAA, as I am RAA licensed, but horses for courses.
j3
http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...624-raa-3.html
I highlight post #42, in particular the quote below from Horation Leafblower
The CASA position is that RAAus hours CANNOT be counted towards a CPL, be it a "150 hour" CPL or a "200 hour" CPL. You must gain all of the required 200 hours on the classes of aircraft described at CAR 5.115(4) For example, if a person gained their PPL entirely on the basis of 40 hours RAAus time, then they will need to have minimum 240 hours of logged experience come time for their CPL flight test.
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The original reason I went GA rather than RA is simply because Canberra is controlled airspace and there is no RA within an hour of here. GA also allows me to move me, the wife and the kids .... or a couple of mates.I'm not sure I want to travel an hour to get to the plane I want to fly. I don't mind doing it to get the license, but afterwards I'm not sure. I've heard too many stories of people having a plane housed an hour away and never using it. Especially when, other than my desire to fly, I wanted to use this as a means to cut down on some of the long car journeys we do to visit family. With the obvious push to kill off GA at YSCB I'm having to re-think that goal though.There's also more effect than just the loss of the flying school. I know of a person here who used to hire Brindabella aircraft (and a pilot) as part of his aerial photography business. He is now scratching his head trying to work out where he hires from now. There's just about nothing left here!* Hmm, why is my post all squashed up when it's nicely space in the editor.
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Graham at the Moruya Aero Club is well worth the trip. Great instructor, with plenty of experience. Don't be fooled by the 'club' thing - he means business.
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Oooh Maverick and J3Cub, we've hit a raw nerve haven't we???!
Well my answer on RAAus counting for CPL is it depends which CASA representitive you speak to as there is yet to be a definitive answer. So there, they don't even know for sure.
Looking at all the threads we can all see that. Full points yes you need to 100 hours in GA or a recognised aeroplane. As for the other 100, Reg CAR 5.115 states at least 100 hours as PIC, but does not state what sort of aircraft this has to be in... The Flight Crew Licencing Procedures Manual states 100 hours general (A) which means obviously aeroplane. And an aeroplane is, as per CAR 2 a power driven, heavier than air aircraft.
Either way this is an issue that needs to be put to bed, IN THE REGULATIONS.... Quite rightly so, why can gliders and gyros count but not ultralights?? I fly aircraft from one end of the spectrum to the other and, argue as much as you want, a 3 axis aeroplane is a 3 axis aeroplane, regardless of registration.
Well my answer on RAAus counting for CPL is it depends which CASA representitive you speak to as there is yet to be a definitive answer. So there, they don't even know for sure.
Looking at all the threads we can all see that. Full points yes you need to 100 hours in GA or a recognised aeroplane. As for the other 100, Reg CAR 5.115 states at least 100 hours as PIC, but does not state what sort of aircraft this has to be in... The Flight Crew Licencing Procedures Manual states 100 hours general (A) which means obviously aeroplane. And an aeroplane is, as per CAR 2 a power driven, heavier than air aircraft.
Either way this is an issue that needs to be put to bed, IN THE REGULATIONS.... Quite rightly so, why can gliders and gyros count but not ultralights?? I fly aircraft from one end of the spectrum to the other and, argue as much as you want, a 3 axis aeroplane is a 3 axis aeroplane, regardless of registration.
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Hi Mate,
Hey hows it going ? I would like to get some info from you as it seems that u r from aussie. i have just finished my Flight Instructors rating from New Zealand and looking for jobs in Aussie? If you know as to where is the best bid to apply would be of gr8 help.
Cheers mate
Hey hows it going ? I would like to get some info from you as it seems that u r from aussie. i have just finished my Flight Instructors rating from New Zealand and looking for jobs in Aussie? If you know as to where is the best bid to apply would be of gr8 help.
Cheers mate
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Just to answer a question someone asked, yes Flight training is still done at moruya in the 150 and 172 cessnas...
It can get fairly busy, and RAA is fairly big at moruya.... (most RAA students at moruya are taught by graham anyway)..
the website is in the process of being completely redone, its very close to being complete, and is good enough to visit as i type this.
and there is a fly in/drive in soon for everyone to come see why we love flying at ymry.. great opportunity to get info about the courses & training, (may 9 i believe is the planned date)..
Also, At moruya, You can do RAA, PPL, CPL, Night VFR, Instructor Ratings and a whole heap more..
You can also catch Graham at Bankstown usually mon-fri most times... but every weekend at moruya is almost a definent chance of him being there..
Hope this helps answer some questions about moruya (plus its not too far from canberra)
It can get fairly busy, and RAA is fairly big at moruya.... (most RAA students at moruya are taught by graham anyway)..
the website is in the process of being completely redone, its very close to being complete, and is good enough to visit as i type this.
and there is a fly in/drive in soon for everyone to come see why we love flying at ymry.. great opportunity to get info about the courses & training, (may 9 i believe is the planned date)..
Also, At moruya, You can do RAA, PPL, CPL, Night VFR, Instructor Ratings and a whole heap more..
You can also catch Graham at Bankstown usually mon-fri most times... but every weekend at moruya is almost a definent chance of him being there..
Hope this helps answer some questions about moruya (plus its not too far from canberra)