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Old 20th Apr 2009, 11:20   #1 (permalink)
 
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Shine Aviation

I'm looking for info on this mob.
- Good or bad to work for?
- T and C?
- How much flying/ what type(majority scenics or charter?) etc

Have tried a search but have been unsuccessful so far.
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Old 21st Apr 2009, 04:48   #2 (permalink)
 
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2 x C404
1 x PA31-350
3 x PA31-310
3 x BE58
1 x PN68

Expect about 35 hours duty per week and around 15 hours multi with some single charter and Flight instructing. All the multi engine work is RFDS contracts and mining charter with contracts in place and regular work. Occasional scenics but that is more the domain of the other operators on the field who pick the bones of whatever is left over.

Great to work there, good guys, Gerro is cheap to live and the owner keeps the fleet in good order, CP is also a good guy. Avoid the other large operator there if you can, unless you enjoy max duty washing anything and everything the owner desires, however its not really a bad first job all the same.

PM for names if you require.
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Old 22nd Apr 2009, 03:32   #3 (permalink)
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Why should ANYONE but the boss wash his car?

Get him to wash it himself!!!
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Old 22nd Apr 2009, 03:48   #4 (permalink)
 
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Wendy,

Afraid you have the wrong person, I do know him however - Nothing wrong with what I have said and I have helped quite a few guys and girls on here get their first job. I have nothing against your company or the way you run your business and have steered several people there seeking work, I also said it was not a bad first job and I understand the guys do some fantastic flying down that way.

Its prudent that we all stick together in these hard times and help each other out.
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Old 22nd Apr 2009, 04:20   #5 (permalink)
 
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"amazing how the applicants are all almost begging for a start, and of course they say they will absolutley anything to get that start - and maybe that does necessitate them agreeing to wash aircraft, and the boss' car once in while. Just remember that small GA companies are where lots of you guys get your start."

So that's your justification for getting the 'young guys' to wash your car?? You know they are desperate for work so you make them wash your car??

*cough* loser

j3

edit: awww, now you've gone and removed your post...

Last edited by j3pipercub; 22nd Apr 2009 at 08:44.
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Old 22nd Apr 2009, 09:31   #6 (permalink)
 
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I would've like to read that one Wendy...
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Old 22nd Apr 2009, 12:51   #7 (permalink)
 
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Wendy had just posted some info regarding her outfit. J3 pipercubs quoted comment was taken from Wendy's post. There were other comments as well (can't remember them).

I've not worked for Wendy, but I know her via my fiancee's family. She's a good operator and has given plenty of newbies work over the past few years. Some of the people she's helped along the way have repaid her POORLY, IMHO. Again, my opinion, you could do a lot worse than fly for her operation.

If you're asked to wash the bosses car, well so what? Five minutes out of your life; get over yourselves. I don't see the problem. In other professions you'll be required to do things well outside (or below) your job description. Just because you're a CPL doesn't mean that you're ABOVE anybody else.

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Old 22nd Apr 2009, 13:03   #8 (permalink)
 
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I never had a problem washing the planes I flew. In fact it shows some pride in your job and the outfit you are working for......however, I draw the line at washing the bosses car. That is just taking advantage of people, and I am sorry to hear you trying to justify yourselfself on this one Wendy. Wash you own car!!!!!!! Maybe you are now ashamed of the comments you wrote and thats why you have removed your post? I hope so.

Reminds me of one place I worked and we had a work experience kid there for a week. The boss sent him back to his house and made him chop firewood! Needless to say I was disgusted!
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Old 22nd Apr 2009, 13:04   #9 (permalink)
 
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Maybe the case, and im sure if I asked you to give us some examples then you probably could, however there are not many professions you pay 60 grand plus to earn the priviledge of washing a car.

Desk duties and SLJ's (s###ty little jobs) which may happen to be a little work related such as answering a phone call bout joy flights or doing some ammendments I reckon are reasonable and things I myself did years ago for my first job...that is not too demeaning in my opinion (not the best either!!!) but you have to draw the line somewhere.

It all comes down to the whole idea of "race to the bottom" when everyone realises the difference between a work related SLJ and just plain exploitation then we should be fine.
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Old 22nd Apr 2009, 18:34   #10 (permalink)
 
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Ok then DI,

By your logic, if it's only five minutes out of your time (I'd love to see a car washed properly in five minutes anyway!!!!!!!), then you won't mind washing the captain/ops guy/maintenance van at qlink then eh?? If not, why not and where then is the di-lineation. At what point do you say no??

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Old 23rd Apr 2009, 02:10   #11 (permalink)
 
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How would you like to work for an outfit that requires you to beat the bushes and generate a cash flow from donations that is sufficient to pay your wages?
This does happen in Australian GA. It is one of the reasons why other, conventional operations struggle to compete. Most GA operations are impoverished.
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Old 23rd Apr 2009, 02:35   #12 (permalink)
 
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Interesting debate

Apparently GAC has a pilot who flew the dreamliner for Ansett.. Jetstar mustn't be happy with that news.

"Lesley has previously been the Chief Pilot of Rottnest Airlines, a CASA officer and flew BAe 146 and B787 aircraft for Ansett."

Geraldton Air Charter Pty Ltd - Staff
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Old 23rd Apr 2009, 03:07   #13 (permalink)
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Just remember that small GA companies are where lots of you guys get your start
The fresh CPL pilot versus small GA company is a classic symbiotic relationship. The relationship is a mutually dependent one.

The 'applicants' need hours in their logbooks and the GA operators require pilots to fly their aircraft. If the new starts manage to bypass this first step, ie. cadetships etc, the GA operator suffers.

If the GA operators go out of business, the new starts that don't take the cadet option or want to travel the GA road (character building stuff), have no means of gaining the elusive 500 multi.

From my experience a good GA operator will keep a pilot for 1 - 2 years, sometimes longer, before they are ready to take the next step. The pilot moves on with fond memories (hopefully) of their time at the company and the company has had 1 - 2 years of good service.

It is a fine balancing act and either party can abuse the process.

Ps.. in 7 years of GA, I never had to wash a car.
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Old 23rd Apr 2009, 03:33   #14 (permalink)
 
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The wax has to shine from the Merc
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Old 23rd Apr 2009, 03:40   #15 (permalink)
 
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I am aware of small GA operations in Australia as I spent 6 years flying in such operations. I heard for 6 years that my companies were going broke and couldn't afford to pay me that extra 10 bucks for that extra long charter or likewise....but you know what, I can assure you that behind the impoverished smokescreen there was enough money fo the owners to live a confortable life.

I can assure you that if the product and personel are right then clients and customers WILL come back for the extra you might be charging compared to the competition...and those who dont aren't worth keeping anyway and are generally the ones who after 90 days still haven't paid there accounts.
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Old 23rd Apr 2009, 05:45   #16 (permalink)
 
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Oh poor bugger me. Mummy!!
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Old 23rd Apr 2009, 12:07   #17 (permalink)
 
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Ps.. in 7 years of GA, I never had to wash a car.


Did you ever wash a plane ? Do you ever wash em now
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Old 24th Apr 2009, 00:01   #18 (permalink)
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Did you ever wash a plane ?
Yes, usually in January, when work was quiet and being armed with a hose was a good way of cooling down.

I don't know who did it in July, must have been you.
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Old 24th Apr 2009, 01:34   #19 (permalink)
 
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Their website is very interesting. They seem very very very very proud of their award.. The watermark is a laugh too.

Oh Di Vosh, you still reading? I've just been down to supercheap and I've got a 20l drum of CT18 truckwash, just send me your postal address and I'll have it couriered down.

Nah better still, I'll just have it sent straight to Qlink at Mildura...

I'm sure your captain won't mind it if you sign off 5 minutes later and give his car a wash... That way you too can, as you so eloquently stated 'get over yourself'

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Old 24th Apr 2009, 06:20   #20 (permalink)
 
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That's me told!

I think I touched a few nerves here. Obviously, I didn't realise that the WORST THING IN THE WORLD is to be asked to wash the bosses car .

J3pipercub, you might want to settle down, take a Bex, etc.

I'll say it again: In any job you have you'll be required at times to do things that are either not in your job description or are "beneath you". If you're the sort of person who gets bent out of shape when this happens, then you'll have a pretty rough time in your life.

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