Merged: Close Essendon Airport!
Ironically I was at Essendon today and heard local liberal MP Kelvin Thompson on AM radio news calling for the airport's closure because of the 'lack of a bufferzone'. Couldn't find a press release or anything on his website so it must have been just a 10-second audio grab to raise his profile in the electorate. Interestingly, I noticed brand new houses in streets adjacent the airport entrance (York Street, etc), which makes a mockery of claims that residents only bought into the area thinking the airport was about to close.
BTW, for anybody interested, at 7 York St you will find the 'TAA Museum', hidden away next to the QF Training Managers offices. Much to my son's disappointment it was closed today, as was the Airways Museum on the airport itself.
BTW, for anybody interested, at 7 York St you will find the 'TAA Museum', hidden away next to the QF Training Managers offices. Much to my son's disappointment it was closed today, as was the Airways Museum on the airport itself.
Just saw this pearler of a comment on the article mentioned on the previous page, by a Keith Thomas of Gladstone Park:
Dear Sir or Madam, Glad to see someone who is focusing on the issue at hand, and not have their heads up in the air (pun not intended). Me - well, I'm just a new-age-urban-warrior Not-In-My-Back-Yard (NIMBY) campaigner, who likes to sit on his back in the garden on sunny weekends and do nothing but whinge about other peoples' business and things that make the world go round.
When the weather is bad my telly drowns out all of life's nasty noises. I live next to a motorway and am sick and tired of the noise all those cars, buses and trucks make. I have written to my MP, demanding that he take immediate action to severely curtail vehicular movements on the stretch of road passing my house. The local rail network is now under increasing pressure (from me) to cut down on its traffic - or face complete closure. I simply don't want this kind of noise on my doorstep. I find it unacceptable that a diesel-powered locomotive, pulling thousands of tons of freight, aggregates, animals or people should be permitted to rumble and thunder through my neighbourhood. The disturbances caused by trains must stop.
The terrible noise of children at play, in the neighbouring school, was reduced somewhat from the initial 87db, following my vociferous representations to the Education Authority. After a short period at around 57 db, the level of noise increased, back to the original 87db and, as a result, the school has been closed down - on my insistence. So far, my memo to the Pest Control Department of my local counil has not been actioned. It contained details of a certain bird species which, since the start of spring, has been waking me at dawn with its "mating call". This is noisy AND disgusting and I have, therefore, suggested that the council employ marksmen, lay poison or humanely capture the creatures and release them to a bird sanctuary, where they will be unable to cause distress to taxpayers, like myself. My MP is in agreement.
More recently, I have enlisted the help and assistance of Mrs Sytner (wife of Frank, the BMW dealership boss). Together, we will fight to prevent cows from mooing to one another and making smells in the countryside outside of normal waking hours. Pollution of rural areas should not be tolerated by people who have paid a premium to live in the country. As soon as we have raised sufficient funds, our activities will be broadened to include lobbying the Federal Parliament to fund the latest genetically modified sheep larynx. This new bioresearch project will virtually eliminate "baa-ing" noises from the country - making it a more peaceful place to live in.
When the weather is bad my telly drowns out all of life's nasty noises. I live next to a motorway and am sick and tired of the noise all those cars, buses and trucks make. I have written to my MP, demanding that he take immediate action to severely curtail vehicular movements on the stretch of road passing my house. The local rail network is now under increasing pressure (from me) to cut down on its traffic - or face complete closure. I simply don't want this kind of noise on my doorstep. I find it unacceptable that a diesel-powered locomotive, pulling thousands of tons of freight, aggregates, animals or people should be permitted to rumble and thunder through my neighbourhood. The disturbances caused by trains must stop.
The terrible noise of children at play, in the neighbouring school, was reduced somewhat from the initial 87db, following my vociferous representations to the Education Authority. After a short period at around 57 db, the level of noise increased, back to the original 87db and, as a result, the school has been closed down - on my insistence. So far, my memo to the Pest Control Department of my local counil has not been actioned. It contained details of a certain bird species which, since the start of spring, has been waking me at dawn with its "mating call". This is noisy AND disgusting and I have, therefore, suggested that the council employ marksmen, lay poison or humanely capture the creatures and release them to a bird sanctuary, where they will be unable to cause distress to taxpayers, like myself. My MP is in agreement.
More recently, I have enlisted the help and assistance of Mrs Sytner (wife of Frank, the BMW dealership boss). Together, we will fight to prevent cows from mooing to one another and making smells in the countryside outside of normal waking hours. Pollution of rural areas should not be tolerated by people who have paid a premium to live in the country. As soon as we have raised sufficient funds, our activities will be broadened to include lobbying the Federal Parliament to fund the latest genetically modified sheep larynx. This new bioresearch project will virtually eliminate "baa-ing" noises from the country - making it a more peaceful place to live in.
Noise Nazis
Excellent.
The Sydney article at this link is five years old but still worth a read.
Excerpts:
Sounds familiar.
The Sydney article at this link is five years old but still worth a read.
Excerpts:
Sydney Airport has been at Mascot since 1921, when most of the houses they bought at a discount because of the noise had not yet been built.
The scenario goes that when people from the leafy suburbs move into inner Sydney, they find life noisier than in the old neighbourhood. But instead of adapting to their funky new surroundings, they set about rearranging the furniture, complaining to councils, police and the EPA about noises from enterprises that were operating before their own homes were a twinkle in a developer's eye.
...new neighbours in townhouses built within the last five years are making life hell. At least one in pyjamas has been bombarding shop-owners and council with complaints about the noise from early-morning bread and milk deliveries...
there's another boring article on the close essendon campaign in this weeks leader newspaper. Seems they must have some good friends working in the paper to be a able to get so many articles published of their nonsense. Interestingly, they Are holding a meeting at the essendon keilor college on July 23rd which I am thinking of attending incognito to see what they are going on about. Would suggest some other ppruners to come along as well.
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Someone really needs to start a "Save Essendon Airport" group with some facts to show people just how moronic this "community group" is.
People out there probably think that because there is no visible opposition to these morons that they must have a valid point.
I started bleeding from my brain and knew that death would soon follow if I continued to watch that moronic you tube video of their's. People like this are far more dangerous to people's health than the airport is.
I bet that logic, reason and basic maths would be beyond them.
People out there probably think that because there is no visible opposition to these morons that they must have a valid point.
I started bleeding from my brain and knew that death would soon follow if I continued to watch that moronic you tube video of their's. People like this are far more dangerous to people's health than the airport is.
I bet that logic, reason and basic maths would be beyond them.
Couldn't see any new references to Essendon Airport at the Leader's online pages. At least the online comments in response to their 7 July article are now running 13 to 1 in favour of keeping the airport open.
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Chopper for Prime Minister...
Wheres Chopper!? We need Chop Chop to organize some natural selection of these people. Obviously there is a chromosome missing somewhere here.
F
ing Idiots.
FMC.
F
ing Idiots.FMC.
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a copy of my response to the leader article
I wonder if they will print it???? lol
Wow!!!! I'm impressed. More than 100 residents! Until recently I lived for ten years on Pascoe Vale Rd almost directly under the approach path for Rwy 35 at Essendon. I knew when I moved into the house that the airport was close by. I saw aircraft flying over when i inspected the property. I actually factored that into my decision before i moved in. I now have some simple questions...Were these 'more than 100 residents' too dull to consider this? Did they not notice the aircraft before they chose to live in such close proximity to an airport? Did they not look at a Melways and say to themselves, "Gee, thats rather close to Essendon Airport!"? Did they not associate an airport with aircraft? Are these fools really my neighbours? Now before the 'more than 100' accuse me of moving due to aircraft, I have purchased property in Gowanbrae! Almost directly under the approach to Rwy 17, close to the airport! but further away from Pascoe Vale Road which is a far greater producer of noise and air pollution! To the 100, I beg of you please please please think before you speak! Idiots!
Wow!!!! I'm impressed. More than 100 residents! Until recently I lived for ten years on Pascoe Vale Rd almost directly under the approach path for Rwy 35 at Essendon. I knew when I moved into the house that the airport was close by. I saw aircraft flying over when i inspected the property. I actually factored that into my decision before i moved in. I now have some simple questions...Were these 'more than 100 residents' too dull to consider this? Did they not notice the aircraft before they chose to live in such close proximity to an airport? Did they not look at a Melways and say to themselves, "Gee, thats rather close to Essendon Airport!"? Did they not associate an airport with aircraft? Are these fools really my neighbours? Now before the 'more than 100' accuse me of moving due to aircraft, I have purchased property in Gowanbrae! Almost directly under the approach to Rwy 17, close to the airport! but further away from Pascoe Vale Road which is a far greater producer of noise and air pollution! To the 100, I beg of you please please please think before you speak! Idiots!
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Does anybody actually know how long these '100' or so have been active enough to seriously want Essendon Airport closed? Looking at Google Earth Mapping seems like there are a lot more than 100 living very close & yet only a handful of 'noisy' residents are doing (trying to) anything about it.
Aviation, semething that was embraced many many years ago by our founding fathers who realised that flying was the only way to cover vast distances within this great land in a timely manor, let us now close & seriously restrict airports 'cause they are too noisy for the few then decide how we can transverse this land without disturbing anybody!
Progress, sometimes people put a minus in front of it!
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Aviation, semething that was embraced many many years ago by our founding fathers who realised that flying was the only way to cover vast distances within this great land in a timely manor, let us now close & seriously restrict airports 'cause they are too noisy for the few then decide how we can transverse this land without disturbing anybody!
Progress, sometimes people put a minus in front of it!
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Hi All
As you can see from the "cut and paste" from the close essendon airport group there is a public rally coming up. How about we all head down in uniform, or even better, do a fly past on the day.
I live about 300m to the north of the approach to runway 26, just prior to the outer marker. There is a great view from my decking of aircraft on approach to land. It is supurb!!! I dont want them closing it down.
I have meet some of the people behind the campaign. They really have no idea what style of aviation the airport supports. There blanket response to every thing is move it to tulla! The other suggestion they made in my discussion with them was that the RFDS aircraft must have quieter engines installed ?? They are very emmotional about the issues and are difficult to have a logical conversation with.
I wonder if they realise that half of the aircraft that overfly the pasoce vale area are on approach to runway 34 at Melbourne, not essendon? They cite air pollution as a major issue. I expect a few heavies overflying will produce more pollution than the light aircraft movements into Essendon. Does this mean they will try and shut Tulla also?
The heavies also have a fair bit of airframe noise at this point. Just as much as the lighties.
The group is really selfish, just wanting to make their own street a little quiter and apparently safer. Yet they expect other suburbs surrounding Tulla, Adelaide, Sydney, parafield, bankstown etc to harbour these "issues".
Another gripe they had was the "threat" of an aircraft landing on their house. I was delighted to point out the the guy that his daily drive to work posed him much greater risk, yet he was happy to do that 5 days a week!
Rant over.
Bulla
As you can see from the "cut and paste" from the close essendon airport group there is a public rally coming up. How about we all head down in uniform, or even better, do a fly past on the day.
I live about 300m to the north of the approach to runway 26, just prior to the outer marker. There is a great view from my decking of aircraft on approach to land. It is supurb!!! I dont want them closing it down.
I have meet some of the people behind the campaign. They really have no idea what style of aviation the airport supports. There blanket response to every thing is move it to tulla! The other suggestion they made in my discussion with them was that the RFDS aircraft must have quieter engines installed ?? They are very emmotional about the issues and are difficult to have a logical conversation with.
I wonder if they realise that half of the aircraft that overfly the pasoce vale area are on approach to runway 34 at Melbourne, not essendon? They cite air pollution as a major issue. I expect a few heavies overflying will produce more pollution than the light aircraft movements into Essendon. Does this mean they will try and shut Tulla also?
The heavies also have a fair bit of airframe noise at this point. Just as much as the lighties.
The group is really selfish, just wanting to make their own street a little quiter and apparently safer. Yet they expect other suburbs surrounding Tulla, Adelaide, Sydney, parafield, bankstown etc to harbour these "issues".
Another gripe they had was the "threat" of an aircraft landing on their house. I was delighted to point out the the guy that his daily drive to work posed him much greater risk, yet he was happy to do that 5 days a week!
Rant over.
Bulla
Come to Close Essendon Airport
Public Rally
Show your support
Sunday 31 August 2008
On the 26 August 2001 (and at each subsequent election) the ALP
Shadow Minister for Transport Confirmed that a future ALP Government would
CLOSE ESSENDON AIRPORT
THE COMMUNITY HAS HAD ENOUGH!No more Clayton’s Curfew
No more Jets and Helicopters
No more Aircraft Noise and Fumes
No more Air Crashes at Essendon Airport
No more Taxpayer/Ratepayer Subsidisation of ‘Fat Cats’ airport
Speakers will include the Hon Kelvin Thomson MP – ALP
GATHER AT 12.30 pm Corner Keilor & Treadwell Ave Niddrie
DEPART at 1pm for a Walk to Essendon Airport
[Melways Map 16-B11 and Tramstop 52]
Bring family, friends and your protest sign
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an interesting exercise would be to map those homes sold/purchased within the last 8 years and match the addresses to the proponents of the protest - people bought cheap because of the airport proximity then (like in SYD) - they want everyone to compensate them.
I don't care what anyone says but Mike Falls' DC3 cruising in at dusk on a summer's evening with the CBD skyline in the background is a magic image that stops traffic, ............I'd even bet that the most passionate airport opponent would (quietly) agree.
Did however note that the airport protestors are a little light on solutions of where to park the Air Ambulance, Police, AMSAR, and the odd Skycrane in the bushfire season. As for the token pollie attending....well light on is probably an appropriate description.
Maybe offer the protestors a raffle for a ride around the city in a JetRanger or Squirrell with funds going to the RFDS might be a good counter point on the day!
I don't care what anyone says but Mike Falls' DC3 cruising in at dusk on a summer's evening with the CBD skyline in the background is a magic image that stops traffic, ............I'd even bet that the most passionate airport opponent would (quietly) agree.
Did however note that the airport protestors are a little light on solutions of where to park the Air Ambulance, Police, AMSAR, and the odd Skycrane in the bushfire season. As for the token pollie attending....well light on is probably an appropriate description.
Maybe offer the protestors a raffle for a ride around the city in a JetRanger or Squirrell with funds going to the RFDS might be a good counter point on the day!
Um....Why don't we turn up with some save EN airport signs?
Look at my calcs on the previous page - the fuel burned by all the aircaft using EN equals three trucks an hour from Bell St to West Ring Road.
CS
Look at my calcs on the previous page - the fuel burned by all the aircaft using EN equals three trucks an hour from Bell St to West Ring Road.
CS
YES! Please do, there's 6 days left, how many people in the area can we get to show up (I'll be in another state unfortunately).
Imagine the crushing defeat when there are more people there trying to keep the airport open than close it!
Invite your friends and take photos!
Imagine the crushing defeat when there are more people there trying to keep the airport open than close it!
Invite your friends and take photos!
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Oh I can't wait, I'm on shift that day & maybe I'll do a few engine run ups more than normal in those 'noisy' engines If I get the chance I'll wander down to the rally in my ambo uniform & perhaps get a say with a typical story like this.
Sorry maddam yr father (whom lives in a distant rual town of Vic) passed away from his injuries whilst out on the farm 'cause I/We where not allowed to takeoff 'till 7am the following morning (instead within an hr of his accident) due the new enforced curfew. He passed away whilst enroute I believe because it was thought, by some, that taking off in a timely manor to save another human being would disturb those few others whilst watching TV game shows !!!!
To think that these few really believe in closing EN will make a scrape of difference to their pathetic lives!
At least we can take solace in the fact that EN won't be closing down in the near future despite the silly selfish & idiotic beliefs of the uneducated.
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If I get the chance I'll wander down to the rally in my ambo uniform & perhaps get a say with a typical story like this.Sorry maddam yr father (whom lives in a distant rual town of Vic) passed away from his injuries whilst out on the farm 'cause I/We where not allowed to takeoff 'till 7am the following morning (instead within an hr of his accident) due the new enforced curfew. He passed away whilst enroute I believe because it was thought, by some, that taking off in a timely manor to save another human being would disturb those few others whilst watching TV game shows !!!!
To think that these few really believe in closing EN will make a scrape of difference to their pathetic lives!
At least we can take solace in the fact that EN won't be closing down in the near future despite the silly selfish & idiotic beliefs of the uneducated.
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I think i might go along. My sign will read something like this..
Close Essendon Airport
Close the Air Ambo's
Close Polair
Close Amsar
Shut down a vital link to our regional cities
Cripple general aviation
Remove vital service from our community
It will increase my homes value by 15% !
Close Essendon Airport
Close the Air Ambo's
Close Polair
Close Amsar
Shut down a vital link to our regional cities
Cripple general aviation
Remove vital service from our community
It will increase my homes value by 15% !
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http://www.saveessendonairport.com/ is not working.
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Their silly website states that JET A-1 fuel is:
First of all this and other examples relate to direct contact with the fuel OR concentrated vapors which I doubt these householders would experience.
Second of all I was wondering how much Jet A-1 is actually used and stored at Essendon? I was under the impression that the average aircraft at Essendon would not use JET A-1.
Someone needs to inform the fuel company local to Essendon airport about the rally and get some representatives down to the demonstration with large shinny graphics and posters comparing fuels and how much pollution they actually receive off the freeways running around the airport.
A bit of logic, reason and basic maths will probably be like daylight to vampires for these people...
May be irritating to the eyes, nose, throat, and lungs. Breathing of high vapour concentrations may cause dizziness, light-headedness, headache, nausea and loss of co-ordination. Continued inhalation may result in unconsciousness
Second of all I was wondering how much Jet A-1 is actually used and stored at Essendon? I was under the impression that the average aircraft at Essendon would not use JET A-1.
Someone needs to inform the fuel company local to Essendon airport about the rally and get some representatives down to the demonstration with large shinny graphics and posters comparing fuels and how much pollution they actually receive off the freeways running around the airport.
A bit of logic, reason and basic maths will probably be like daylight to vampires for these people...
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