Leaving Virgin Blue?
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----jetstar pilot recruitment advertisement seen in the THE AUSTRALIAN last week----
i belive it said:
----------JETSTAR REQUIRES PILOTS--------
have you got what it takes to be a jetstar pilot--feel like spending **** load of your own money--want to climb that ladder of opportunity-the fast way-THEN YOUR THE TYPE OF PERSON WE WANT TO FLY OUR OUR STATE OF ART A320:
re terms and conditions
1. pay for your own endorsment
2. pay for your own chk and sim training
3. pay for your recurrent training
4. pay to use the toilet on the aircraft
5. in fact expect to pay for every f..ken thing your self
JETSTAR WILL LOOK FAVOURABLY ON BACKSTABBERS IF THEY APPLY.
JETSTAR IS ALSO AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER -SO VIRGIN BLUE PILOTS MAY APPLY
SPECIAL CONSIDERATION WILL BE GIVEN TO THOSE WITH KFC FOOD OUTLET EXPERIANCE
i belive it said:
----------JETSTAR REQUIRES PILOTS--------
have you got what it takes to be a jetstar pilot--feel like spending **** load of your own money--want to climb that ladder of opportunity-the fast way-THEN YOUR THE TYPE OF PERSON WE WANT TO FLY OUR OUR STATE OF ART A320:
re terms and conditions
1. pay for your own endorsment
2. pay for your own chk and sim training
3. pay for your recurrent training
4. pay to use the toilet on the aircraft
5. in fact expect to pay for every f..ken thing your self
JETSTAR WILL LOOK FAVOURABLY ON BACKSTABBERS IF THEY APPLY.
JETSTAR IS ALSO AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER -SO VIRGIN BLUE PILOTS MAY APPLY
SPECIAL CONSIDERATION WILL BE GIVEN TO THOSE WITH KFC FOOD OUTLET EXPERIANCE
Nunc est bibendum
Just out of interest, how much does an ANSETT F/O. get paid these days?
They may be in QF uniform but there is a part of them that will always be an Ansett pilot- and good on them too!
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I find it amazing we have an industry in front of us going to the dogs and under attack from the lowest, sub-human management groups ever seen and we are still sledging each other.
Will we ever wake up to the fact that we need to get united in this country, or will the "I'll be alright Jack" attitude continue to prevail until the profession's ultimate demise?
Will we ever wake up to the fact that we need to get united in this country, or will the "I'll be alright Jack" attitude continue to prevail until the profession's ultimate demise?
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It has never been, and it will never be anything else....the "I'm alright Jack" attitude will always prevail as pilots are the most greedy back stabbing group I have ever come across, its the only profession as I can see it, that can hide gross incompetence and look good at the same time, and yes all exploited by management as its easy to manage such groups.
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firstofficer...that was a beauty mate!!!!!.Ive been flying for 26yrs so I know my past(up and down like a whores drawers),but this "future" thing you talk about,obviously the aviation future,is there any chance that I could look into the crystal ball that you have so I can see my bloody future....gimme a break
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Looking at the facts very few have left, either Rank.
Several that have left wish they could return.
The Airline game has changed forever, no fat multi-million dollar pension at a 50th birthday retirement anymore. Bugger.
In all honesty where else do you go ?
Several that have left wish they could return.
The Airline game has changed forever, no fat multi-million dollar pension at a 50th birthday retirement anymore. Bugger.
In all honesty where else do you go ?
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Personally I would want to own the KFC store. As you get older the job satrisfaction crap that guys carry on about gives way to the "Holy **** I can't afford to retire" realisation. In your 20s and early 30s the "yeah man I am a pilot " sounds real good but your mate from school works for the council and owns 4 houses he rents out. Guess who will retire easily? I have quite a few friends who are getting out of airlines and GA as they can make more money elsewhere and be home everynight ( what a novelty) .
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pakeha-boy,
then you are welcome to live in your past, just memories mate
what i meant with my post is that we have to deal with present issues in order to improve aviation. Logical isn't it? I don't think you need a crystal ball for that.
then you are welcome to live in your past, just memories mate
what i meant with my post is that we have to deal with present issues in order to improve aviation. Logical isn't it? I don't think you need a crystal ball for that.
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I'm sorry but does anybody here really think that they would prefer working at KFC than flying? If your friend is that dissatisfied with flying AND jealous of his own son, that he would rather work for KFC than fly, well it is probably a good thing that he has left aviation and created a vacancy for someone else who wants to be there for the right reasons.
Silly Old Git
I got a cousin like that.
Sheep shearer, 60 looks 35 still does a bit of shearing owns so many houses he cant count em biggest worry is where the fish are biting next.
Sheep shearer, 60 looks 35 still does a bit of shearing owns so many houses he cant count em biggest worry is where the fish are biting next.
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There is no mass exodus. There have been some who have left for personal reasons unrelated to dissatisfaction. And there has been a disgruntled handful who have left or are about to who are highly unlikely to ever be invited back anyway. They are the sort of blokes who will always be unhappy no matter where they are or who they fly for. The business is too small in OZ and burning bridges is very unwise.
I think being a 737 pilot for Virgin Blue offers a much more stable job environment with fewer upheavals in the coming years than being a 737 pilot for the opposition.
I think being a 737 pilot for Virgin Blue offers a much more stable job environment with fewer upheavals in the coming years than being a 737 pilot for the opposition.
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Next Generation, for my 2 bobs worth, I agree with you.
Sure, it's not right to get screwed by unscrupulous employers, but all this comparison of 'how much someone else gets paid and how much work they do compared to me' is just not the way to go in my book.
You do a job, get paid, if you like your work and make enough money to keep you happy, then you're fine.
If you see someone else doing something else that pays more, the choices are clear - keep doing your own thing and be happy with it, or go do what they're doing and be happy with that; just don't sit there and whinge.
Sure, it's not right to get screwed by unscrupulous employers, but all this comparison of 'how much someone else gets paid and how much work they do compared to me' is just not the way to go in my book.
You do a job, get paid, if you like your work and make enough money to keep you happy, then you're fine.
If you see someone else doing something else that pays more, the choices are clear - keep doing your own thing and be happy with it, or go do what they're doing and be happy with that; just don't sit there and whinge.
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Jet black manaro. You must surely be a management stooge. No line pilot would support your assessment . I can not name you ONE satisfied line pilot, not a single one. ALL the people who left have done so because they were not happy. Please spare us the personal reasons garbage. It was very much related to dissatisfaction. The reality is that most pilots would walk tomorrow if there were a another job in Oz to go to.
How on earth you can call our current existance stable is beyond comprehension. It is the most deplorable place to work I have ever witnessed. No, I wont be leaving in the near future as I only moved back to oz 4 years ago and now have family commitments.
As I said, disgusting rosters, crap money and the standards are pathetic. Ask any NORMAL check captain with considerable experience what they think. Scarey indeed.
How on earth you can call our current existance stable is beyond comprehension. It is the most deplorable place to work I have ever witnessed. No, I wont be leaving in the near future as I only moved back to oz 4 years ago and now have family commitments.
As I said, disgusting rosters, crap money and the standards are pathetic. Ask any NORMAL check captain with considerable experience what they think. Scarey indeed.
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JBM, is just a stirrer that works for DJ but thinks they know the workings of other airlines inside out, when they don't. I would rather work for Qantas anyday than Virgin Blue!
Ansett, great airline and sad to see what happened to it, but get over it! ex-Ansett crew feel it necessary to mention that they're ex-Ansett at every possible chance, unfortunately i've heard enough of it and no, you can't bring your Ansett seniority into another airline!
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Ansett, great airline and sad to see what happened to it, but get over it! ex-Ansett crew feel it necessary to mention that they're ex-Ansett at every possible chance, unfortunately i've heard enough of it and no, you can't bring your Ansett seniority into another airline!
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Management Stooge? Because I disagree with you? What a stupid thing to write. There are other posts on this thread that clearly demonstrate that your view is not the only view within the pilot body politique of this current EBA renegotiation. Misinformation is rife at the moment while the EBA is being negotiated. I would have thought a thorough and complete process will produce a better outcome for pilots. There is no loss in the long run because any negotiated contract is backdated to the end of the last. I wish you well in your endeavours.
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KEG says
A "Truck load" more! Honestly i have heard it all now.
Keg I wouldn’t be making forecasts about earning potential at either QF or VB, whilst J* continue to reach new lows in salary. It won’t be long before GOD has them on wides and sadly we all know they will do it for peanuts.
The ones that I fly with earn a truck load more than a Virgin F/O NG and their earning potential over the coming years leaves DJ for dust as well- no audit required!
Keg I wouldn’t be making forecasts about earning potential at either QF or VB, whilst J* continue to reach new lows in salary. It won’t be long before GOD has them on wides and sadly we all know they will do it for peanuts.
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"QF & AN FOs' pay were and are quite unsustainable for LCCs............."
Who on earth said that?
Care to have a look at Ryanair salaries?
If you do you will see how wrong that statement is.
Did you mean unsustainable in the current climate of oversupply?
Australian aviation is certainly oversupplied with pilots willing to work for very little.
I suppose if you were looking at it from the perspective of market forces you'd be right, only you did say 'were'.
Mind you, I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would want to work for Virgin Blue.
Who on earth said that?
Care to have a look at Ryanair salaries?
If you do you will see how wrong that statement is.
Did you mean unsustainable in the current climate of oversupply?
Australian aviation is certainly oversupplied with pilots willing to work for very little.
I suppose if you were looking at it from the perspective of market forces you'd be right, only you did say 'were'.
Mind you, I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would want to work for Virgin Blue.