Has anyone out there trained at or had anything to do with the Uni of New South Wales flying school? I met someone from there the other day who seemed to have a slight "holier than thou" attitude... I'm not trying to bag the school, maybe they are great, maybe they are not- I'm asking out of genuine inquiry...
Perhaps this is a biased response as I am a final year flying student at UNSW, but I do recommend the program if you a keen about becoming a professional pilot.
UNSW offers an integrated degree and flight training syllabus over 3 years based on full-time study. It is the only University flying program in NSW that a know of as UWS and Newcastle Uni have both stopped their aviation courses.
As for the training and study, students do not get regular uni holidays as these a spent undertaking aspects of flight theory at UNSW flight training Bankstown airport. What sets UNSW apart from other flying/degree courses in Australia is that all training is carried out in-house. Most Universities out-source their flying component to private flying schools. At UNSW all degree subjects a done at Kensington, with flight training carried out at UNSW Bankstown airport, with UNSW aircraft (P28A and BE76) and instructors (all graduates of the program). Unlike private flying schools where students can fly as much or as little as they want adn take their time with theory, UNSW has a very strict program and student standards. For example all seven CPL exams are usually sat within 10 days.
Students graduate with ATPL theory, MECIR, CPL and over 200 hrs TT, with an FIR option.
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P4L
Beer Can,
If that pilot is the only pilot you know of who has done a gear-up ldg then either you don\'t know too many people within this industry or you love a cheap shot.
Every pilot knows the gear-up ldg saying: "there are two types of pilots, those who\'ve landed gear-up and those who are about to." Your days are numbered by the sounds of things.
Cheap shot, Beer Can - I suppose you consider yourself a better pilot?
You're the type that give us a bad name.
UNSW prides itself on high standards - even to the detriment of its own financial gain if it comes to that. The difference in philosophy to other flying training organisations is probably the reason why some people think it promulgates a 'holier than thou' attitude.
In echo of P4L, the UNSW flying course is a highly worthwhile program. The flying component is taught by instructors of exemplary standard of professionalism and teaching capability, and the academic component takes your qualification beyond the 'stick and rudder' and better prepares you for an ever changing industry.
In addition, the UNSW degree is a highly respected qualification and well renowned throughout the industry.
I've heard that it's a very good flight training school and good university in the Aviation sector. However, I also hear others saying that a degree is not worth it. Is university a good option or not? From what I read on PPRuNe, it sounds like a bad option and also takes longer. Is this also the case in Australia? That a degree is not worth it and is not liked by airlines?
I've been told that Qantas do not like applicants with degrees because they're looking for those who are good at flying other than the academic ones. Of course, they'd be looking for one with both of those features.
Can any confirm whether you should get a degree or not? and whether Qantas likes the degree? I'm very sure they'd choose someone who can fly rather than an academic. A lot of pilots choose to get a degree after entering the airlines or during GA
I'm very sure they'd choose someone who can fly rather than an academic
How about someone who can do both by the time they're 21?
If anyone honestly believes that studying CRM, Risk Management, Flight Safety and host of engineering subjects on everything from engines to metal fatigue, in addition to all required theory and practical up to and including ATPL (frozen - whoops, did I say that forbidden word?) is going be seen as a disadvantage by any employer then I'd like to see some solid reasons why.
From what I've been reading, it's 'time'. Of course, it's better to have all those which is why it takes 2 years extra. Many people make it into the airlines without a degree and choose to get one after they've been accepted. I think it all depends on your luck and each individual. Some may be very good at flying while others are very academic and some may be good at both.
However, I'm not saying getting a degree is bad. I have not yet experienced up to that far yet. I still have a lot to explore!
Fair enough though, I guess I'd just like to see some evidence or reasonable explanation to support your comments. I could do a search, but it's Sunday morning and I'm about to leave for work.
Ahhh, but there is one major difference...they're not talking about uni degrees that are specfically designed for training pilots. We're now talking about different things.
To do a BA or B.Sc would be a whole other debate...I would then agree with the whole 'behind time' issue as well as a few more I suspect.
....and in the age of increasing automation (albeit not so in GA), pilots are going to have to justify their existence above just 'flying the aeroplane'. I'm sure you all agree flying an aeroplane is more than just stick and rudder.
My experience is that I have been able to apply my academic theory learnt in my Aviation degree to my current part-time employment - a GA company in fact.
And what about those pilots who take on administrative duties further up the line? or lose their medical and seek other employment within the industry? An aviation degree will greatly improve ones competence in such duties.
or lose their medical and seek other employment within the industry?
That's why pilots choose to get a degree after they've gotten all their licenses. After you're accept into the airline or while you're gaining experience GA.
I agree that it won't hurt getting a degree as ovum had said to me. It's the 'time' that matters. Again I say, I haven't reached that level yet. I am still studying in high school and still have to wait until I experience it myself. The things I've stated in this thread, I've learnt from reading articles on the internet, friends who work in airlines and PPRuNe.
At the stage you are at getting info from PPRuNe is great but try not to take everything that is mentioned for gospel. Most of the ideas posted are opinions which can in many ways be biased and/or allowing people to blow off steam. Your other sources ie people in the industry are better. There is always going to be two sides to the story so.
Capt J, Please do your self (and us) a favour and remove your head from the nether regions of your posterior. Perhaps you should be concentrating on you HSC instead of talking rubbish about any industry of which you are not yet part of. Otherwise you may end up "Upsizing" Mcvalue meals with the rest of your class mates at Mt Druitt high. Just out of interest how do you know what Qantas want or do not want. Last time I checked their web page in the employment section, there was not a direct link to you with reference to required qualifications.
True, but the fact that people hide behind false identities should give you a fair idea of how valid and true some articles are. Using judgement on what is Fact or just biased opinion is hat it is all about. The fact you have now told people you still go to school means that anything you now say on this forum will be of token interest without any industry knowledge to back it up.
Date Registered: 30th July 2004 Total Posts: 104 (12.11 posts per day)
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That is an impressive record of over 12 posts a day. In fact Id like to see if thats a record. 104 posts in just over 8 days, massive I would like to add that he/she must be very keen on aviation
