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Old 19th Feb 2004, 21:51   #1 (permalink)
 
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Question Turbine Endorsement

What is the deal with Turbine Endorsements, if there is such a thing?

Is it aircraft type specific? If I get an endorsement on a C208 can I jump in a PC-12 and go for a spin?

What's the typical cost? Who does them?

Any info appreciated.


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Old 19th Feb 2004, 22:11   #2 (permalink)
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Hey Hombre, how goes it?.
It works like multis, first do your initial then keep adding. seperate endo for each aircraft type.
usually for your initial turb endo, if done on a single, will cost ya around the 5K mark. After you do your initial, but before you can go to work (charter), you have to build some command time on type. very hard to do in your position.
better get that initial multi done first. PM or ring me and we can discuss it further (you know what I'm on about )
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Old 20th Feb 2004, 00:13   #3 (permalink)
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520,

In days past there was a Basic Gas Turbines exam in Australia, I think it still exists in other parts of the world, maybe NZ. Now its covered in the ATPL syllabus. No specific turbine endorsement is on the current licence, from memory that will be changing under CASR Part 61.

CAO 40.1.0 lists aircraft that require a specific class or type endorsement, a turbine engine is not a special design feature endorsement at present.

If you have a PC12 endorsement that would allow you to fly a PC12 and the PC12/45, but not a C208, PC6, PC9 etc.

Who does them : endorsements are either done by flying schools, or organisations approved to conduct the training.

C208 : Seaair, GFS come to mind
PC12 : Pilatus Australia.

There are other organisations about that fly these aircraft, but you would need to check with them to see if they can train members of the public, some of them may only train their own employees (a condition of their check and training system).

Cost : I have been told a C208 is cheaper to run per hour than a C310, but due to supply and demand I would expect you would be paying a premium for the training.

The price mentioned by the wiz I would see as fairly accurate for a C208, a PC12 maybe extra as you would also need to obtain a pressurisation endorsement if you did not have one, and for turbine crop dusters low level if you donít have that.

Flying a single engine turbine like a C208 in many ways is easier than a single or piston twin. Easier to start, no leaning, cannot crack a cylinder, simple fuel systems, lower prop RPMs etc.....................

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.............. but a whole new operating concept in a much higher capital cost aircraft.

And BGT (Basic Gas Turbine) is about to be returned as a rating.

Not before time, I may add!

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Old 20th Feb 2004, 08:31   #5 (permalink)
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Did I write something naughty in my post you needed to edit ?



No mate. Just thought the last sentence was incomplete so added a string of "........" and completed your last sentence in my next post!

Ahhh. The privilege and power of being a Moderator!!!


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Old 20th Feb 2004, 09:18   #6 (permalink)
 
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but a whole new operating concept in a much higher capital cost aircraft
I beg to differ. The cost of the aircraft is irrelevant to me up the sharp end. In a clapped out old 172, or a new $5million turbine, I'll be flying to the same standard. After all they will both kill you.

If you mean that there are more toys on board (EFIS, autopilots that work, GPSNPA etc) then yes, I fully agree with you - there is the whole button pushing concept, together with the "WTF is it doing now" for the first few hours.

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there is the whole button pushing concept, together with the "WTF is it doing now" for the first few hours


Hehehehe, how true!
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Old 20th Feb 2004, 10:46   #8 (permalink)
 
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Yes, Stallie.

All the more reason to complete an appropriate course of turbine and C208 training - to ensure you are equipped to fly at the same standard!

Lack of knowledge of the Caravan and it's system differences to the old 172, have caused needless accidents.

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Old 20th Feb 2004, 10:49   #9 (permalink)
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Did someone say swimming lessons


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Old 22nd Feb 2004, 14:15   #10 (permalink)
 
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No worries,

Cheers for the help there, and particularly to Wiz. I'll be in touch mate.

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