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AF1 recently had one of its periodic 'near miss' incidents at PBI:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-air-force-one
This is sort of a perennial news story, for example:
Second 'Near-Miss' Involving Air Force One - 01-30-98
At about 2:13 in this PSP ATC video posted earlier, SAM 44 seems to miss a turn in holding. The controller tells SAM 44 to make it a tight turn if possible to the south:
https://youtu.be/yZDTV4UCVwc?t=133
A less edited version of the discussion occurs at 9:12 in this clip, the controller gives Hawker N8888H a heading of 310 and later apologizes at 10:05 saying SAM 44 came north instead of making the turn to hold southeast at Thermal:
http://archive-server.liveatc.net/kp...2017-2330Z.mp3
Are these AF1 guys still holding with an HSI, a heading bug and round dials in 2017?
Investigators Probing Plane That Got Too Close to Air Force One, Sources Say
by Alan Levin
February 8, 2017 11:25 AM EST February 8, 2017 11:48 AM EST
U.S. aviation investigators are probing an incident in which a private plane and President Donald Trump’s aircraft flew closer than was permitted, three people familiar with the event said.
The two aircraft got to about 2 nautical miles from each other over Florida on Feb. 3. Planes under the supervision of air-traffic controllers are supposed to stay at least 3 nautical miles from each other near airports and as far as 5 nautical miles apart at higher altitudes.
The people, who asked not to be named because they weren’t authorized to talk about the case, said that there was no risk of collision as the planes were flying on parallel courses.
by Alan Levin
February 8, 2017 11:25 AM EST February 8, 2017 11:48 AM EST
U.S. aviation investigators are probing an incident in which a private plane and President Donald Trump’s aircraft flew closer than was permitted, three people familiar with the event said.
The two aircraft got to about 2 nautical miles from each other over Florida on Feb. 3. Planes under the supervision of air-traffic controllers are supposed to stay at least 3 nautical miles from each other near airports and as far as 5 nautical miles apart at higher altitudes.
The people, who asked not to be named because they weren’t authorized to talk about the case, said that there was no risk of collision as the planes were flying on parallel courses.
This is sort of a perennial news story, for example:
Second 'Near-Miss' Involving Air Force One
WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, Jan. 30, 1998) -- While a reported "near miss" Wednesday involving Air Force One and a Delta airliner remains under investigation, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) confirmed another plane may have come even closer to the president's plane than the original one in question.
The FAA reports the Delta plane and Air Force One never came closer than the minimum separation standard of 3.0 nautical miles horizontally or 1,000 feet vertically. However, radar information from National Airport indicates that 14 seconds before the original "near miss" under investigation, a U.S. Airways flight appears to have violated the minimum separation standard.
Preliminary radar analysis indicates that in turning Air Force One to the southwest to provide separation from the Delta aircraft at approximately 9:16 a.m. ET, the proper separation was not maintained with the U.S. Airways aircraft which had been told to begin a circling maneuver in preparation for approach to National Airport. The two aircraft were separated at their closest point by 900 feet vertically and 2.36 nautical miles horizontally.
WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, Jan. 30, 1998) -- While a reported "near miss" Wednesday involving Air Force One and a Delta airliner remains under investigation, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) confirmed another plane may have come even closer to the president's plane than the original one in question.
The FAA reports the Delta plane and Air Force One never came closer than the minimum separation standard of 3.0 nautical miles horizontally or 1,000 feet vertically. However, radar information from National Airport indicates that 14 seconds before the original "near miss" under investigation, a U.S. Airways flight appears to have violated the minimum separation standard.
Preliminary radar analysis indicates that in turning Air Force One to the southwest to provide separation from the Delta aircraft at approximately 9:16 a.m. ET, the proper separation was not maintained with the U.S. Airways aircraft which had been told to begin a circling maneuver in preparation for approach to National Airport. The two aircraft were separated at their closest point by 900 feet vertically and 2.36 nautical miles horizontally.
At about 2:13 in this PSP ATC video posted earlier, SAM 44 seems to miss a turn in holding. The controller tells SAM 44 to make it a tight turn if possible to the south:
https://youtu.be/yZDTV4UCVwc?t=133
A less edited version of the discussion occurs at 9:12 in this clip, the controller gives Hawker N8888H a heading of 310 and later apologizes at 10:05 saying SAM 44 came north instead of making the turn to hold southeast at Thermal:
http://archive-server.liveatc.net/kp...2017-2330Z.mp3
Are these AF1 guys still holding with an HSI, a heading bug and round dials in 2017?
I believe UAL does most if not all of their flight planning.
