US Regional Headhunting
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Latest Piedmont offering:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/piedmo...130000520.html
The flow through is nice but...hard to say when one moves up to mainline, right ?
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/piedmo...130000520.html
The flow through is nice but...hard to say when one moves up to mainline, right ?
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Well, they are giving you an apparant gurantee you;d be on the mainline one day which, doesnt really matter in the US, once you have hours there's plenty of airlines willing to hire. I wish we had this similar scheme in more countries, seems like a great pathway especially if you just graduated school.
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"Well, they are giving you an apparant gurantee you;d be on the mainline one day..."
A person would have to read the specific details of the flow through, how it's structured and if it allows a person to act independently to know if it's actually a "guarantee". Time will tell...probably lots of time.
If a young person is going to spend years at a regional anyway, it's likely worth giving it a try to see how/if it develops as advertised.
Airline management promises many things but that's an entirely different thread. [You'll have to excuse my skepticism born of 35 years of airline flying. :-) ]
The point is the US regionals are giving it a serious go to get/keep bodies on board so I guess they get some credit for that.
A person would have to read the specific details of the flow through, how it's structured and if it allows a person to act independently to know if it's actually a "guarantee". Time will tell...probably lots of time.
If a young person is going to spend years at a regional anyway, it's likely worth giving it a try to see how/if it develops as advertised.
Airline management promises many things but that's an entirely different thread. [You'll have to excuse my skepticism born of 35 years of airline flying. :-) ]
The point is the US regionals are giving it a serious go to get/keep bodies on board so I guess they get some credit for that.
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Anyone able to supply the entire article ?:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...-pains-428805/
"You just have to register a free account to view the article "
It's unlikely it contained any earth shattering revelations or the news would've been reported in other publications.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...-pains-428805/
"You just have to register a free account to view the article "
It's unlikely it contained any earth shattering revelations or the news would've been reported in other publications.
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Latest from Mesa. They appear to be lagging a bit in the pay area these days:
"Pilots are paid per flight hour as negotiated between the Air Line Pilots Association and the Company in accordance with the provisions of the Railway Labor Act. The Contract stipulates minimum pay of 75.83 flight hours per month. Current first year First Officer pay is $22.18 per flight hour for Regional Jets. All pilots are paid on the basis of scheduled block time or actual block times whichever is greater."
That comes to $1682/mo. for a new F/O. Pretty sad...but, they're hiring !! Are they filling seats ?
Pilot-Fixed Wing job at Mesa Airlines - Pilot - First Officer
"Pilots are paid per flight hour as negotiated between the Air Line Pilots Association and the Company in accordance with the provisions of the Railway Labor Act. The Contract stipulates minimum pay of 75.83 flight hours per month. Current first year First Officer pay is $22.18 per flight hour for Regional Jets. All pilots are paid on the basis of scheduled block time or actual block times whichever is greater."
That comes to $1682/mo. for a new F/O. Pretty sad...but, they're hiring !! Are they filling seats ?
Pilot-Fixed Wing job at Mesa Airlines - Pilot - First Officer
I just got invited to apply to Republic, but declined. The pay still isn't sufficient, and commuting isn't conducive to a happy family life. You also have to be prepared to move to any base they choose, whenever they choose. No thanks. I have my wife's job and my son's schooling to consider. Uprooting them just because a regional airline decides to close a base/loses the contract or whatever just isn't on.
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Couldn't find the ideal pigeon hole for this info so I'll put it here since it touches on the regional pilot supply issue. Lots of data:
https://www.halldale.com/files/halld...0Chowdhury.pdf
Might as well throw in this one too:
http://www.pilotsourcestudy.org/ESW/...v12_Locked.pdf
https://www.halldale.com/files/halld...0Chowdhury.pdf
Might as well throw in this one too:
http://www.pilotsourcestudy.org/ESW/...v12_Locked.pdf
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Just a little tidbit about Horizon Air teaming up with a university to get pilots:
“The new pilot development program will permit up to 17 students to apply for and receive a stipend, administered by the CWU Foundation, to be used for training fees and expenses related to completing their Commercial Flight Instructor certificate. The students will then receive a conditional job offer from Horizon Air, which will commit them to a term of employment with the company.
This agreement also ensures that graduating students will serve in the CWU flight training facility as certified flight instructors until they accumulate 1,000 flight hours in their log book prior to joining Horizon Air. This arrangement serves well to have adequate flight instructors in place to train the incoming students at CWU.”
https://www.pilotcareercentre.com/Av...ment%20program
“The new pilot development program will permit up to 17 students to apply for and receive a stipend, administered by the CWU Foundation, to be used for training fees and expenses related to completing their Commercial Flight Instructor certificate. The students will then receive a conditional job offer from Horizon Air, which will commit them to a term of employment with the company.
This agreement also ensures that graduating students will serve in the CWU flight training facility as certified flight instructors until they accumulate 1,000 flight hours in their log book prior to joining Horizon Air. This arrangement serves well to have adequate flight instructors in place to train the incoming students at CWU.”
https://www.pilotcareercentre.com/Av...ment%20program
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UAL started a program with Lufthansa. LH has a cadet training center in Arizona. You need to be a CFI. You get hired into the program as a CFI for LH in AZ. After you get your 1500 hrs/ATP, then you go directly to UAL as a narrow-body FO..skipping the regionals. Announced Aug, 2016.
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thanks zondaracer.
"Designed with the flight instructor in mind, this program offers employment at ATCA with a very exciting compensation package, and upon meeting CPP graduation requirements you’ll become an active applicant within the United Airlines hiring pool."
Last few words of this sentence seems to be still leaving an open door.
"Designed with the flight instructor in mind, this program offers employment at ATCA with a very exciting compensation package, and upon meeting CPP graduation requirements you’ll become an active applicant within the United Airlines hiring pool."
Last few words of this sentence seems to be still leaving an open door.
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United has a similar CPP program with a Commutair and Expressjet. I have seen the eligibility requirements for the CPP and they are pretty stringent, but not unreasonable.
If you become ineligible for the CPP for whatever reason, at least you are still building turbine and 121 time at one of the regional partners which will leave more options open in case the CPP doesnt work out.
The salary at ATCA is quite good. A friend of mine worked at ATCA and averaged about 700 hours per year. Salaried employee.
If you become ineligible for the CPP for whatever reason, at least you are still building turbine and 121 time at one of the regional partners which will leave more options open in case the CPP doesnt work out.
The salary at ATCA is quite good. A friend of mine worked at ATCA and averaged about 700 hours per year. Salaried employee.
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Just a little update on Endeavor Air. Appears they're throwing a bit more money into the mix. Notice that the carrot for pilots is a "Delta Guaranteed Interview"...not a guaranteed JOB. In fact, of those Endeavor pilots interviewed of late, a suspiciously small percentage have actually been hired. Makes a person wonder:
Become an Endeavor Air Pilot
The Delta CEO, Ed Bastian, recently put out a video answer to a question from an Endeavor pilot about whether Delta would ever move Endeavor ( a wholly owned subsidiary) under the mainline umbrella. The answer was a VERY clear "no". He said they like the arrangement the way it is.
Become an Endeavor Air Pilot
The Delta CEO, Ed Bastian, recently put out a video answer to a question from an Endeavor pilot about whether Delta would ever move Endeavor ( a wholly owned subsidiary) under the mainline umbrella. The answer was a VERY clear "no". He said they like the arrangement the way it is.
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Breaking News...hot off the presses !! [ :-))) ]
The Endeavor Pilot Connection Program has been launched where any ACTIVE DELTA employee will get $2000 for recommending a person for an Endeavor pilot position if the person successfully completes training through OE.
Not sure what to make of that...
The Endeavor Pilot Connection Program has been launched where any ACTIVE DELTA employee will get $2000 for recommending a person for an Endeavor pilot position if the person successfully completes training through OE.
Not sure what to make of that...