PPRuNe Forums

Go Back   PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > North America
Forgotten your Username/Password?

North America Still the busiest region for commercial aviation.


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 28th May 2010, 17:45   #1 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Somewhere below the ITCZ
Posts: 254
FCC R/T Operator certificate

Hi folks

I apologize if that question has been asked already but did my homework and couldn't much on it, can anyone please give some info about how can I request a FCC R/T Operator certificate on my FAA certificate, how should I address? Do we really need to take a written test for it similarly to an additional rating on your license? Can it be done through distance learning, or do I actually need to be in the US? Oh and last but not least any news about the english proficiency level on the FAA certificates? I wrote to the FAA a couple of weeks ago asking about wether they were going to implement the level grades like in other ICAO countries but haven't heard back from them yet.
Thank you folks in advance! Safe Flights.
Peter PanPan is offline   Reply
Old 28th May 2010, 18:49   #2 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,135
The FCC and the FAA are two separate agencies. So nothing goes on your FAA certificate, it's just another piece of paper to carry. The FCC Restricted Radio Telephone Operator Permit is a joke. You have to be a legal resident of the USA, able to speak and hear (does not say what language!), able to keep a rough log of transmissions (again, Latin would be fine) and know the rules that govern the station you operate. But there is no test. Oh yeah, your check has to clear. Back thirty years ago at least they didn't charge you.

Commercial Radio Operator License Program: Types of Licenses: Restricted Radiotelephone
MarkerInbound is online now   Reply
Old 29th May 2010, 11:14   #3 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Somewhere below the ITCZ
Posts: 254
Flight Radiotelephony Operatorís Licence

Hi MarkerInbound

Thanks for your input, it definitely sheds some light on the topic, I am still slightely confused though: Most ICAO license (Including JAR) have Flight Radiotelephony Operatorís Licence that go along with it allowing one to operate the radio, right? I thought that when flying out of the US Airspace, a pilot holding a US Certificate needed a FCC R/T Operator certificate, I guess I am wrong then right? So airliners don't need that do they?
Thanks a lot for helping out with this, I have to say that I don't find the Federal Communications Commissions website very user friendly.
Peter PanPan is offline   Reply
Old 30th May 2010, 00:15   #4 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Dec 1998
Location: Escapee from Ultima Thule
Posts: 3,914
If you fly outside the US using an FAA pilot licence then you also need to have an FCC restricted radio licence to meet ICAO or local radio telephone operator licence rules. Inside the US the pilot licence itself carries with it the authority to use radio equipment.
Tinstaafl is offline   Reply
Old 30th May 2010, 04:10   #5 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: FL370
Posts: 89
All it really means is that you filled out the form and paid the $$
pilotcpb is offline   Reply
Old 31st May 2010, 08:52   #6 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: FLORIDA
Posts: 233
Or for non US residents here
Commercial Radio Operator License Program: Types of Licenses: Restricted Radiotelephone - Limited Use
malc4d is offline   Reply
Old 7th Jun 2010, 10:30   #7 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Somewhere below the ITCZ
Posts: 254
FCC Form 605

Thank you Malc4d, that's exactly what I needed to know, I am about to fill in the FCC form 605. Much appreciated all the inputs from everyone.
Peter PanPan is offline   Reply
Old 7th Jun 2010, 12:40   #8 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Somewhere below the ITCZ
Posts: 254
FCC Form 605

Seems like one can't fill the form online, it's bloody confusing! Has anyone here done it before?
Peter PanPan is offline   Reply
Old 7th Jun 2010, 16:27   #9 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Dec 1998
Location: Escapee from Ultima Thule
Posts: 3,914
I did mine online. You have to register an account with the FCC first and then log in to your account. It was years ago that I did it but I think this is the latest incarnation:

FCC Universal Licensing System (ULS): ULS Home
Tinstaafl is offline   Reply
Old 7th Jun 2010, 21:53   #10 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Somewhere below the ITCZ
Posts: 254
done!

Alright done it! Still had to call the help line in order to walk me through the process. First thing is indeed creating a profile and then ordering the RR certificate, 60 bucks is what they ask and no exam of any kind. Glad I didn't have to go through a R/T kind of Freetol test again! Many thanks once again for sharing your knowledge.
Peter PanPan is offline   Reply
Old 1st Mar 2011, 05:32   #11 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Somewhere below the ITCZ
Posts: 254
Thank you for clarifying SoCal, I did get the RL.
Peter PanPan is offline   Reply
Old 28th Jul 2011, 18:43   #12 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Singapore
Age: 34
Posts: 7
RL and RR

Hi,

I read from this Thread that it is necessary for me to have a Radio License in addition to my FAA CPL.

And I know that its the RL I need to apply.

But... After doing the FRN thing, and logged in, and adding a license to my FRN, I dont have the option of RL at all. RR is closest, but would it be right for me to apply for RR at this juncture?

It seems that ULS does not know abt RL at all...

Can anyone help?

Thank you.
stepchoo is offline   Reply
Old 29th Jul 2011, 18:38   #13 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Singapore
Age: 34
Posts: 7
Even for RL, apply for the RR.

I sent an email to ULS to ask on my query. And they are prompt to resolve this and the reply are below.

I hope this will help future applicant wondering the same thing.

Applied for this on 29Jul.

---------------
Summary* : Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit-Limited Use (RL)
Description* : When I apply for a new license to be added to my FRN, I do not see RL in the option. I only see RR.
Solution Details :


RL is not an option for the Radio Service Code. If you are looking to apply for a Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit, whether or not it is Limited Use, you would select the Radio Service Code RR. By selecting RR, the system will load the correct online application for completion.
---------------
stepchoo is offline   Reply
Old 17th Mar 2012, 03:39   #14 (permalink)
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Home if not overnighting...
Age: 44
Posts: 79
Hello all, just finished reading this thread, I completed my application online three weeks ago and haven't received the certificate on my mailbox yet. How much time does the FCC takes to send you the RR or certificate? I have checked the FCC web and I couldn't find any info regarding this matter.
supermoix is offline   Reply
Old 24th Sep 2013, 09:31   #15 (permalink)
PBY
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Around the corner
Posts: 111
Hi guys,
does it mean, that if you are a foreigner and not a US resident, you cannot fly on a FAA licence abroad, because you cannot get the FCC operator certificate as a foreigner?
Thanks
PBY is offline   Reply
Old 24th Sep 2013, 09:43   #16 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Ormond Beach
Age: 39
Posts: 977
I don't think it means that, because when I got my FCC permit I was still technically a foreigner.
flyboyike is offline   Reply
Old 24th Sep 2013, 09:54   #17 (permalink)
PBY
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Around the corner
Posts: 111
But did you have a work permit in US?
PBY is offline   Reply
Old 24th Sep 2013, 10:21   #18 (permalink)
PBY
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Around the corner
Posts: 111
I think I found an answer:

Commercial Radio Operator License Program: Types of Licenses: Restricted Radiotelephone - Limited Use
PBY is offline   Reply
Old 2nd Jan 2014, 13:58   #19 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Humboldtianum Basin
Posts: 77
Just done it myself... No snags...
Shiner Pilot is offline   Reply
Old 8th May 2014, 10:49   #20 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: on the internet
Posts: 55
Quick question... When applying for this online it now asks for a N# ? Am I on the right form 605? If I put in an N# does the license only apply to that specific airplane or does it not matter?
Cheers
soakingpilot is offline   Reply
Reply
 
 
 


Thread Tools


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT. The time now is 09:12.


vBulletin® v3.8.7, Copyright ©2000-2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
© 1996-2012 The Professional Pilots Rumour Network