BB It's the weekend, find something constructive to do. I hope you are put on probation. PS Your vindictive comments on the other thread are quite incorrect, I know several Aussies who work for Air NZ.
No mate, disgusting is when 16,000+ innocent people are thrown on to the scrap heap of life by incompetent fools in NZ. You think we're too emotional? well you're right! It does'nt help when people like RUTB seem to delight in rubbing our noses in it. Do you think most Aussies want to see AirNZ go out of business- ABSOLUTELY!!!
BB, Whether you want to believe it or not Ansett was going to go down no matter who owned it. It was either that or a very severe downsizing that meant a lot of redundancies. For some reason Air NZ were required by the Aussie Govt to sign a document insisting on no restructuring or downsizing. That and the amount of debt sealed its fate.
Ouch! that hurt, please dont tell my mum on me. No, I will not go jump in the lake! BTW, as an Australian I resent the implication that our national airline cannot safely operate Antarctic scenic flights out of NZ!
Air NZ does not have a restricted employment policy; we've got Kiwis, Ozzies, Poms & Chinese etc - we even employed Gary Toomey if you haven't noticed! May be the reason there's more Kiwis working for Oz airlines than the other way round is because we(Kiwis) are actually better pilots than you lot! If you haven't noticed, QF (domestic) did a slow roll & pull through a couple of months ago; it was Kiwi owned and a lot of their pilots have been subsequently hired by Air NZ - we can't be THAT fussy! As for looking for our own markets (unquote in another closed thread), can't the same be said about QF?
Boeing Belly, I'd have thought that with the passage of time you'd have cooled down by now - such is obviously not the case. I bet you didn't spend as long deciding to sc@b in '89
RUTB, You well know that prior to 1987 when Ansett Australia established Ansett NZ that Air NZ had a stranglehold on ALL pilot recruitment in the one major airline which was AirNZ. For more than 30 years prior to that Australian pilots were discriminated against by AirNZ whereas in Australia that field of employment was open and not only to kiwis. Recent events including your industrial squabbles have imposed some variation to that. Your divided unions within AirNZ was one effect of that. You have a conveniently short memory span or perhaps you were not around then. As I have indicated before kiwi's abuse of our good nature has extended far too long. Skol give the example that ONE of his neighbours is an Australian on the dole. Compare that with the myriads of kiwis on the dole over here not to mention the rorting of our Medicare and immigration system. I'll give ONE example of a kiwi over here to Skol's neighbour.
A B747 Captain who holds a Senior's card and is stupid enough to boast about it. The Senior's Card is for retired people on low income not in full time work not for a stingy rorting kiwi. Guess he also shoves your crummy coinage in our public phones just like the rest of your bunch.
FSU,BB et al you're pathetic. Get your heads out of your backsides for once. For every Kiwi on the dole in Bondi there's 10 who are good citizens and tax payers elsewhere in Australia and the same applies to Australians here. Do you guys have a little hole in your backs to take the key for winding you up? Blaming ME for the travails at AN and wishing for my imminent unemployment is absolutely ridiculous and the epitomy of immature. All I ask, as I have consistently in this BB, is that you look in the mirror for some of the factors that lead to the demise of AN. You are obviously incapable of that and are therefore condemned to repeat the mistakes of history as you are proving yourselves incapable of learning from them. Viz; Air NZ no longer flies to Antarctica, QF still does! Air NZ changed its employment policies in the early '80s and don't go quoting some B747 t0sser to me, he ain't worth talking to! Continue on your demands for high pay and gold plated conditions; AN/QF Staff travel for one, and you'll all go down the tubes with or without the help of us Kiwis. Learn from ALL of history and don't selectively quote it to me; I was an elephant in a previous life and I will out-remember you, be warned if you intend to go down that path!
RUTB etc, Well now we are onto obscenities abuse and threats. Not once have I resorted to that tactic..JUST FACTS. If you don't like the fact about the 747 rorter too bad. It was in response to Skol's dole remark. Remember all you like including any threats you care to make it will have no effect on me. Other remarks about the relative costs of AN/QF crews have already been dealt with and your remarks re that disproved.
As for gold plated staff travel benefits you must be joking. In a practical sense they are useless. I do as I have always done. If I want to go on holiday in my owntime and leisure I pay the appropriate fare and don't join the begging queue.
But I guess kiwis would. Bad luck if you get offloaded.
FSU welcome to the club, I've been doing that for years. Your memory isn't that flash but don't bring up 20+yo accidents & highlight the shortcomings of Samoan technicians, it only displays a tenuous hold on the facts!
BB, Still waiting for you to deny you're an 89 scab. If you are an 89 scab I wouldn't worry about the kiwis, worry about the aussies you put out of work.
As I thought, a tenuous grip on the facts. Read the INCIDENT report on the Apia event and you'll know that, but for good old fashioned monitoring, it would have been an accident report. As the saying goes, "[in some hands] a little knowledge is dangerous."
Never mind all the Aussie Shiraz under the bed or the Aussie Sheilas in it, stick to the real issue here. Why did AN go under? Look in the mirror for a good deal (I've NEVER said all) of the blame. When you've done that you'll be better equipped next time, 'cos there will be one!
P.S: SKOL I guess absence of denial is confirmation of the fact!
[ 07 October 2001: Message edited for spelling by: Red under the Bed ]
[ 07 October 2001: Message edited by: Red under the Bed ]
Upside to QF in NZ.
