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orca 19th Jul 2014 07:15

Despite not having a probe and having a lower radius than the C?

JFZ90 19th Jul 2014 09:30

Must say most of QE looks impressive, but the bow is far from elegant is it? Not really important, but a shame. No matter how much they justify the savings in cost as a result, no self respecting Naval Architect can really feel proud of that bow.

Looking at the video of the overhead helicopter footage around the basin - how does it get out? It looks much too big for the double lock gates of the basin! Is there a basic set of single lock gates it will use instead, but only at a certain tide?

Al R 19th Jul 2014 09:45

Market forces at work already - still, a commercial jv should keep costs down.

North Atlantic Drift: BMW M4 goes Top Gun on aircraft carrier | Classic Driver Magazine

stilton 19th Jul 2014 09:49

Eliminate the silly, redundant 'forward island' and fix the bow that looks like it already had a collision, install catapults and arresting gear and you'd be onto something.



Something like the USS Forestall.

SpazSinbad 20th Jul 2014 04:22

Good detail in this artickle: Carrier countdown 30 June 2014 By Tim Robinson

Royal Aeronautical Society | Insight Blog | Carrier countdown

SpazSinbad 21st Jul 2014 20:04

And another good 'un.

BAE Systems use simulation to refine F-35 and QEC integration - Naval Technology

Lyneham Lad 23rd Jul 2014 11:59

An impressive bit of parking! Time lapse video and article in the Telegraph:-

Watch the Navy's new carrier take to the water

SpazSinbad 28th Jul 2014 22:40

Geez youse UKers are busy lil' beavers as shown in this marvy fillum (mentioned above like).

Time Lapse Float Up and Move of HMS Queen Elizabeth Posted 23 Jul 2014


SpazSinbad 1st Aug 2014 17:42

Sunk Costs: New Carriers Commit UK To Buy Escorts & F-35Bs, Says 1st Sea Lord 01 Aug 2014 Sydney J. Freedberg Jr.

"...First Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Staff, Adm. Sir George Zambellas, assured a Washington audience Wednesday that — to paraphrase his guarded Britishisms into American bluntness — it’s too late to cheap out. Building the carriers has already committed British politicians not only to funding their operations, escort vessels, and aircraft, but also to a carrier-centered naval strategy that puts warfighting first and peacetime presence second.

If you don’t buy adequate F-35s, “you build £6.2 billion worth of carriers, you then don’t put a tiny piece of butter on the bread,” Zambellas said to general laughter at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “You’ve got to do it properly. And I’m absolutely certain, with delivery of a credible carrier strike capability, we will see a growth of commitments to F-35s to meet the maximum value the government would want to derive from the strategic assets they have bought and are paying for [already].”...

...“Authority” and “credibility” were the admiral’s mantras throughout his remarks, which were tinged with the usual post-imperial anxiety about Britain’s place in the world. If only one carrier is operational, Zambellas said in one example, it may be in refit when a crisis erupts, “and then your authority sort kind of drains away down the plug hole.” Building the carriers is “a grown-up statement of intent,” he said, the UK’s forthcoming nuclear missile submarines will provide “deterrence [at] absolutely the top end of the game,” and the US and UK needed to operate as one in the Persian Gulf ” so if we have to fight side by side, we Brits don’t let you down.”..."
Sunk Costs: New Carriers Commit UK To Buy Escorts & F-35Bs, Says 1st Sea Lord « Breaking Defense - Defense industry news, analysis and commentary

Always a Sapper 1st Aug 2014 18:15

Mmm, thinks this reads a bit orf...

and the US and UK needed to operate as one in the Persian Gulf ” so if we have to fight side by side, we Brits don’t let you down.”
Here, fixed it...

First thoughts.... :suspect:

and the US and UK needed to operate as one in the Persian Gulf ” so if we have to fight side by side, You don’t let us down.”
Okay, I'll be nice and go for this one :E

and the US and UK needed to operate as one in the Persian Gulf ” so if we have to fight side by side, we don’t let each other down.”

LowObservable 1st Aug 2014 19:02

which were tinged with the usual post-imperial anxiety about Britain’s place in the world.

Double value! Reporter and psychotherapist in one!

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

SpazSinbad 6th Aug 2014 05:40

HMS Queen Elizabeth: How will she be used? Published on Jul 4, 2014 defenceheadquarters

"What is HMS Queen Elizabeth going to be used for? How will she work? Find out here."

Davef68 5th Sep 2014 14:57

PM just anounced that we are bringing PoW into service (i.e. keeping it!) so we can always have one in service.

Willard Whyte 5th Sep 2014 15:29


PM just anounced that we are bringing PoW into service (i.e. keeping it!) so we can always have one in service.
That should help maintain our 2% GDP on defence...

Defence cuts risk Britain's Nato standing.

WE Branch Fanatic 5th Sep 2014 15:33

Does this mean an increase in RN personnel numbers? It must, surely.....

Davef68 5th Sep 2014 16:08

Maybe they'll introduce a revolutionary two ships-one crew policy!

Bannock 5th Sep 2014 17:24

From The PM

"today I can announce that the second carrier – HMS Prince of Wales – will also be brought into service. This will ensure that will always have one carrier available, 100% of the time"

On the face of it good news, then you realise that we are already commited to pay for it!
UK PLC will not start spending more money untill it's built and in use . Effectively he has given us an 8 year post dated cheque and probably a differant goverment an opportunity to change its mind when this summit has been completely forgotten about.

DC - Taking spin to a differant level.:=

The Helpful Stacker 5th Sep 2014 17:25


Maybe they'll introduce a revolutionary two ships-one crew policy
Capital idea! Sailors sign up to sail the seas not concrete frigates do they not and think of the infrastructure savings that could be realised getting rid of shore accommodation.

Might upset the ladies (said in terms as loose as their virtue) of Pompy though. All those Jolly Jack Tars staying at sea rather than choosing them as a last resort means less chance of 'accidental' offspring, leading to a shotgun marriage and free MQ.

Said very much in jest my Senior Service chums, though some of the latter may be familiar.

PeterGee 5th Sep 2014 18:46

He doesn't mean two ships at a time. He means mothball, refit, commission cycles, so one ship working, with one is mothballs / refit. Not sure that is much more expensive than one only. (A bit of course but not double)

Lima Juliet 5th Sep 2014 19:02

Just need a jet that works to fly from it then...:ugh:


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