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Any minute now expect the whole hierarchy to erupt into tears. Some of the loved ones that actually add nothing, but bottom feed without pride, will be rewarded, whilst at the same time those that deserve recognition and more will not stand out against them.
it’s a divisive time, when the very worst stand out as frauds whilst the very best stand as equals to those absolute oxygen thieves. Let’s see, but if you believe the system is sound, you are part of the problem that we live with.
it’s a divisive time, when the very worst stand out as frauds whilst the very best stand as equals to those absolute oxygen thieves. Let’s see, but if you believe the system is sound, you are part of the problem that we live with.
I can remember an award given to a WO from Kinloss, 1990, for valuable service in the air prior to GW1. He hadn’t flown, and he knew Fk All about the equipment. So, any real warrior in the air is no better than that, a false system of rewarding ‘our pals’. Shame, as if you police things they hold value.
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Any minute now expect the whole hierarchy to erupt into tears. Some of the loved ones that actually add nothing, but bottom feed without pride, will be rewarded, whilst at the same time those that deserve recognition and more will not stand out against them.
it’s a divisive time, when the very worst stand out as frauds whilst the very best stand as equals to those absolute oxygen thieves. Let’s see, but if you believe the system is sound, you are part of the problem that we live with.
it’s a divisive time, when the very worst stand out as frauds whilst the very best stand as equals to those absolute oxygen thieves. Let’s see, but if you believe the system is sound, you are part of the problem that we live with.
totally and utterly agree.
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To be recognised along with Tony Blair, hero of multiple military needless deaths (RMP no ammunition) is about the worst taint there is.
some brave and worthwhile colleagues are going to lose their shine over this. Not the butt loving HQ heroes that are still 6 years away from a Weapon Handling Test, ‘The Award Parasites’.
some brave and worthwhile colleagues are going to lose their shine over this. Not the butt loving HQ heroes that are still 6 years away from a Weapon Handling Test, ‘The Award Parasites’.
Commendations are the ones that are odd to me - having had a 2-star’s and 3-stars’ in the past. Other nations issue a little pin badge to wear on your uniform (a bit like McDonalds stars!), to recognise those that have been commended. Even our RAAF, RCAF and RNZAF cousins in similar uniforms do that and it means a bit more than a certificate that sits in a drawer at home, or even worse the ‘I love me’ wall in the downstairs lavvy! You also mention financial reward - sometimes you are better off getting a Stn Cdr’s Commendation as that normally comes with a £20-£50 gift token compared to nothing with a 2-star, 3-star or 4-star Commendation!!!
If I were Chief for the day, I would get the Commendation System sorted and make sure that we recognise and say ‘thank you’ to those that don’t get a major award. I would also push for a change back to the AFC given for meritorious service rather than just ‘exemplary gallantry whilst flying in peacetime’ - that retrospective step was made in 1993 that should be reversed.
Anyway, you are right, there are some good names to be seen on the list that I am pleased to see - but then there are some absolute shockers too!!!
"I'm not asking for much , just something simple - a small badge - perhaps the words HE GAVE THAT OTHERS MIGHT LIVE"
The Blood Donor
The Blood Donor
Popeye - Tony Blair's award is a personal one from the Queen herself, someone who has seen more PMs than she could shake a stick at. What does that tell you?
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Popeye - Tony Blair's award is a personal one from the Queen herself, someone who has seen more PMs than she could shake a stick at. What does that tell you?
Gentleman Aviator
Bliar’s KG is par for the course for ex-PMs since they stopped giving them Earldoms. I think HM shows her opinion with some subtlety; Call-Me-Tony had to wait 14 years for his, Heath I think was longer than that. Wilson however - anecdotally HM’s favourite - got his immediately on retirement.
And it opens the door - God help us - for subsequent PMs, as they have to get the awards in order of serving I think. So stand by for Broon, Cameron, May and (I’ll bet that’ll be a long wait) even BoJo.
But, as crab@ rightly says, it’s in the personal gift of the sovereign, so maybe Charles III (or possibly George VII if you believe the rumours) will change the plan…..
[Edited to add:]
Just looked up Grocer Heath - he waited 18 years!
And it opens the door - God help us - for subsequent PMs, as they have to get the awards in order of serving I think. So stand by for Broon, Cameron, May and (I’ll bet that’ll be a long wait) even BoJo.
But, as crab@ rightly says, it’s in the personal gift of the sovereign, so maybe Charles III (or possibly George VII if you believe the rumours) will change the plan…..
[Edited to add:]
Just looked up Grocer Heath - he waited 18 years!
The honours system stinks. I only ever put one man up [MBE]. Approved all the way up by Met. Office and RAF. Scuppered by rationing because Falklands intervened.
Always refused to touch the system thereafter. Much easier to get the good'uns rapid promotion, and it puts bread on the table.
On a lighter note [hopefully] I read that:
"Jason and Laura Kenny become knight and dame in sport’s New Year honours"
YES BUT.
Laura is married to a sir, so becomes Lady.
If I met her, and grovelled suitably, how should I address her?
And is the double "ladyship" unique, or unusual?
Always refused to touch the system thereafter. Much easier to get the good'uns rapid promotion, and it puts bread on the table.
On a lighter note [hopefully] I read that:
"Jason and Laura Kenny become knight and dame in sport’s New Year honours"
YES BUT.
Laura is married to a sir, so becomes Lady.
If I met her, and grovelled suitably, how should I address her?
And is the double "ladyship" unique, or unusual?
The honours system stinks. I only ever put one man up [MBE]. Approved all the way up by Met. Office and RAF. Scuppered by rationing because Falklands intervened.
Always refused to touch the system thereafter. Much easier to get the good'uns rapid promotion, and it puts bread on the table.
On a lighter note [hopefully] I read that:
"Jason and Laura Kenny become knight and dame in sport’s New Year honours"
YES BUT.
Laura is married to a sir, so becomes Lady.
If I met her, and grovelled suitably, how should I address her?
And is the double "ladyship" unique, or unusual?
Always refused to touch the system thereafter. Much easier to get the good'uns rapid promotion, and it puts bread on the table.
On a lighter note [hopefully] I read that:
"Jason and Laura Kenny become knight and dame in sport’s New Year honours"
YES BUT.
Laura is married to a sir, so becomes Lady.
If I met her, and grovelled suitably, how should I address her?
And is the double "ladyship" unique, or unusual?
Turning to LB's second point, there are many peers' wives who are or were Dames, such as the two Ladies-in-Waiting to HM The Queen who have sadly died lately, and I suspect that there are several baronets or knights whose wives hold or held damehoods. One notable example of the latter. was of course Dame Pattie Menzies, wife of Sir Robert Menzies KT, the former Prime Minister of Australia.
Jack
Ref B Liar:
my wife said "he must know something we don't know"
Yes. He knew he was lying.
my wife said "he must know something we don't know"
Yes. He knew he was lying.
Yes. He knew he was lying.
Shock Horror - politician doesn't tell the truth.........
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No different to Boris then? Only TB didn't prorogue Parliament or lie to HMTQ and the democratic vote to join the coalition and invade Iraq was by a huge margin - far bigger than Brexit.
Shock Horror - politician doesn't tell the truth.........
Shock Horror - politician doesn't tell the truth.........
544 MPs voted for the Referendum Act 2015 out of 650.
498 MPs voted for A50 Feb 2017 out of 650 MPs.
"412 MPs voted for That HM Government should use all means necessary to ensure the disarmament of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. ( out of 659) 18 March 2003"
And how was Parliament led in to supporting that decision ?
"The ex-Prime Minister has long faced criticism for sending troops into Afghanistan and Iraq, a decision which culminated in a devastating report by Sir John Chilcot in 2016 which found he overplayed evidence about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. " (DM)
And how was Parliament led in to supporting that decision ?
"The ex-Prime Minister has long faced criticism for sending troops into Afghanistan and Iraq, a decision which culminated in a devastating report by Sir John Chilcot in 2016 which found he overplayed evidence about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. " (DM)
He was following the USA - not saying he was right to do that but I suspect he was under a lot of pressure to conform. economic and political.
Who made the strong case in the US that started the move to invade? ISTR it was Colin Powell.
Nip - a very different position to vote against the 'will of the people' no wonder they all jumped on board with Boris.
Who made the strong case in the US that started the move to invade? ISTR it was Colin Powell.
Nip - a very different position to vote against the 'will of the people' no wonder they all jumped on board with Boris.
Originally Posted by [email protected]
He was following the USA - not saying he was right to do that but I suspect he was under a lot of pressure to conform. economic and political.
Who made the strong case in the US that started the move to invade? ISTR it was Colin Powell.
Nip - a very different position to vote against the 'will of the people' no wonder they all jumped on board with Boris.
Who made the strong case in the US that started the move to invade? ISTR it was Colin Powell.
Nip - a very different position to vote against the 'will of the people' no wonder they all jumped on board with Boris.