NI troubles, another Serviceman up on charges of murder
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NI troubles, another Serviceman up on charges of murder
Sigh, I do feel this is all one sided.
Ex-soldier Dennis Hutchings will face trial over killing - BBC News
Ex-soldier Dennis Hutchings will face trial over killing - BBC News
Seems you're only exempt prosecution if you are or was an IRA terrorist these days.
I always wonder what the response would be if the defence lawyer asked any witness or jury member or prosecution lawyer if they could remember EXACTLY what they were doing in the 1970's and whether that would impact the result
I always wonder what the response would be if the defence lawyer asked any witness or jury member or prosecution lawyer if they could remember EXACTLY what they were doing in the 1970's and whether that would impact the result
So what about the b*****d who planted the bomb at Hyde Park. Didn't he get some Blair "get out of jail free" card. If they can go after servicemen, why not him, and others
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NI troubles, another Serviceman up on charges of murder
Not quite true.
Former British soldier Dennis Hutchings will be tried for attempted murder
surely the good friday agreement should apply to both sides?
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Surely, a decent barrister will expose the massive holes in the procedural aspects of the case, the fact that he was told he wouldn't be prosecuted, the timespan since the alleged offence, and the numerous other issues? Isn't this merely a waste of taxpayers money as surely there's no realistic possibility of a conviction?
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Surely, a decent barrister will expose the massive holes in the procedural aspects of the case, the fact that he was told he wouldn't be prosecuted, the timespan since the alleged offence, and the numerous other issues? Isn't this merely a waste of taxpayers money as surely there's no realistic possibility of a conviction?
Regardless of whether or not Justice is served, the upper echelons of the legal establishment look after the current and future members of the Judiciary. This whole show trial farce is painful for the troops, but pays the (substantial) wages of the Lawyers, and Judges, involved in hearing the cases.
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I can't see this playing well in Court. He was told some 40 years ago that he would not be prosecuted. What changed? Some of his fellow soldiers that witnessed the incident are now deceased.
It would appear that the Good Friday Agreement was poorly constructed; in that Terrorists were set free and no further action would be taken against them. Whilst no such protection was given for Service Personnel doing their duty!
I hope he refuses to be cross examined and remains silent!
It would appear that the Good Friday Agreement was poorly constructed; in that Terrorists were set free and no further action would be taken against them. Whilst no such protection was given for Service Personnel doing their duty!
I hope he refuses to be cross examined and remains silent!
I think you may find that is is not a waste, but a use, of tax raised revenue. The idea behind the legal system is to get lawyers paid, not to look after the legal rights of service people.
Regardless of whether or not Justice is served, the upper echelons of the legal establishment look after the current and future members of the Judiciary. This whole show trial farce is painful for the troops, but pays the (substantial) wages of the Lawyers, and Judges, involved in hearing the cases.
Regardless of whether or not Justice is served, the upper echelons of the legal establishment look after the current and future members of the Judiciary. This whole show trial farce is painful for the troops, but pays the (substantial) wages of the Lawyers, and Judges, involved in hearing the cases.
This is just idiotic . As stated by airpolice, yet another antic by the " liberal" chair sitters to navel gaze over events long gone and invoke 21st century snowflake hysteria (for profit of course ).
Yes -I was serving in N.I. in the 70's and yes I did witness,first hand, the human consequencies of the barbaric activities of the PIRA.
Yes -I was serving in N.I. in the 70's and yes I did witness,first hand, the human consequencies of the barbaric activities of the PIRA.
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This is just idiotic . As stated by airpolice, yet another antic by the " liberal" chair sitters to navel gaze over events long gone and invoke 21st century snowflake hysteria (for profit of course ).
Yes -I was serving in N.I. in the 70's and yes I did witness,first hand, the human consequencies of the barbaric activities of the PIRA.
Yes -I was serving in N.I. in the 70's and yes I did witness,first hand, the human consequencies of the barbaric activities of the PIRA.
Well.... providing that cost is the bill from my chambers to HMG (Taxpayers) and it's a belter.
Look at Asylum Seeker appeals. Do we all really think that UK taxpayers should be funding translation services and legal representation for foreigners? Some, I have no percentages, of the people involved came here unlawfully, committed offences, were told to go, and are getting aid (paid by us) to fight that decision!
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Gentlemen,
Forgive yet another intrusion from the civil side.
Unfortunately, with the rejection of the Abuse of Process application, Mr. Hutchings will have to undergo due process through the Courts. There is little anyone on this forum can do to assist him, other than offer moral support.
On 11th May 2018, the Legacy Policy Team of the Northern Ireland Office wrote to a number of "interested parties" regarding a Consultation Paper into "Legacy" issues in N.I. The question of investigation of fatal shootings by Security Forces in N.I. falls squarely into this paper.
Para. 2.1 states that views are sought "from all interested parties, individuals and groups".
Email address and closing date for submissions are listed in the paper, which is viewable here:-
https://assets.publishing.service.go...and_s_Past.pdf
While it may not be of any immediate benefit to Mr. Hutchings, I respectfully suggest that it is time to step up to the plate.....
Forgive yet another intrusion from the civil side.
Unfortunately, with the rejection of the Abuse of Process application, Mr. Hutchings will have to undergo due process through the Courts. There is little anyone on this forum can do to assist him, other than offer moral support.
On 11th May 2018, the Legacy Policy Team of the Northern Ireland Office wrote to a number of "interested parties" regarding a Consultation Paper into "Legacy" issues in N.I. The question of investigation of fatal shootings by Security Forces in N.I. falls squarely into this paper.
Para. 2.1 states that views are sought "from all interested parties, individuals and groups".
Email address and closing date for submissions are listed in the paper, which is viewable here:-
https://assets.publishing.service.go...and_s_Past.pdf
While it may not be of any immediate benefit to Mr. Hutchings, I respectfully suggest that it is time to step up to the plate.....
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There is a real danger of the history of the Troubles in NI being rewritten. The reality of terrorism is being airbrushed out, to be replaced by a romantic version of history that effectively justifies the actions of the terrorist. Meanwhile the legitimate forces of law and order (and I won't say they were always perfect) are being cast as the villains.
Irrespective of the motivations, if you joined PIRA (or the UDA / UVF for that matter), you set yourself on a course that was about murder and carnage. You chose that pathway, knowing full well the outcome. And knowing that it might bring you into direct conflict with the "forces of the state" and that you might come off second best. The RUC, UDR and Army were doing an altogether different thing...defending the ordinary people of NI (and GB), being the thin line between normality and anarchy. They had their bad eggs, as will any organisation. But for the vast majority, they never stepped out in the morning intending to carry out acts of violence. They put their own lives on the line to defend against violence.
As a (moderate) unionist living in NI, I am seeing daily the "respect" that the republican movement is affording those of us who wish to remain in the Union. They are playing a game...and they play it well. It involves covering their own sins by justifying "the conflict", assigning blame to the entire NI population ("we were all part of the problem"...well I wasn't...I never set out to disadvantage anyone because of their religion or political views, let alone do them harm, and the majority were like me), and actively campaigning against any vestiges of UK heritage that we have remaining.
So now, we have children's play parks named after PIRA murderers, we have convicted terrorists released early from prison, and lauded into government, and we have those same ex-terrorists (complete with 'amnesty' letters for their past crimes) demanding that ex-soldiers be dragged into courts over incidents that they never wanted to be part of in the first place. If a young squaddie, made the wrong decision, in a split-second assessment, in an environment that he was never trained to be in, then our government must stand beside them. Not throw them to the wolves of political correctness.
I said I was a moderate unionist...I will remain moderate, but it's becoming ever more difficult to do so. Airbrushing the truth only presses the moderates in society towards less moderate views, and that will not help any of us.
Irrespective of the motivations, if you joined PIRA (or the UDA / UVF for that matter), you set yourself on a course that was about murder and carnage. You chose that pathway, knowing full well the outcome. And knowing that it might bring you into direct conflict with the "forces of the state" and that you might come off second best. The RUC, UDR and Army were doing an altogether different thing...defending the ordinary people of NI (and GB), being the thin line between normality and anarchy. They had their bad eggs, as will any organisation. But for the vast majority, they never stepped out in the morning intending to carry out acts of violence. They put their own lives on the line to defend against violence.
As a (moderate) unionist living in NI, I am seeing daily the "respect" that the republican movement is affording those of us who wish to remain in the Union. They are playing a game...and they play it well. It involves covering their own sins by justifying "the conflict", assigning blame to the entire NI population ("we were all part of the problem"...well I wasn't...I never set out to disadvantage anyone because of their religion or political views, let alone do them harm, and the majority were like me), and actively campaigning against any vestiges of UK heritage that we have remaining.
So now, we have children's play parks named after PIRA murderers, we have convicted terrorists released early from prison, and lauded into government, and we have those same ex-terrorists (complete with 'amnesty' letters for their past crimes) demanding that ex-soldiers be dragged into courts over incidents that they never wanted to be part of in the first place. If a young squaddie, made the wrong decision, in a split-second assessment, in an environment that he was never trained to be in, then our government must stand beside them. Not throw them to the wolves of political correctness.
I said I was a moderate unionist...I will remain moderate, but it's becoming ever more difficult to do so. Airbrushing the truth only presses the moderates in society towards less moderate views, and that will not help any of us.
There is a real danger of the history of the Troubles in NI being rewritten. The reality of terrorism is being airbrushed out, to be replaced by a romantic version of history that effectively justifies the actions of the terrorist. Meanwhile the legitimate forces of law and order (and I won't say they were always perfect) are being cast as the villains.
Irrespective of the motivations, if you joined PIRA (or the UDA / UVF for that matter), you set yourself on a course that was about murder and carnage. You chose that pathway, knowing full well the outcome. And knowing that it might bring you into direct conflict with the "forces of the state" and that you might come off second best. The RUC, UDR and Army were doing an altogether different thing...defending the ordinary people of NI (and GB), being the thin line between normality and anarchy. They had their bad eggs, as will any organisation. But for the vast majority, they never stepped out in the morning intending to carry out acts of violence. They put their own lives on the line to defend against violence.
As a (moderate) unionist living in NI, I am seeing daily the "respect" that the republican movement is affording those of us who wish to remain in the Union. They are playing a game...and they play it well. It involves covering their own sins by justifying "the conflict", assigning blame to the entire NI population ("we were all part of the problem"...well I wasn't...I never set out to disadvantage anyone because of their religion or political views, let alone do them harm, and the majority were like me), and actively campaigning against any vestiges of UK heritage that we have remaining.
So now, we have children's play parks named after PIRA murderers, we have convicted terrorists released early from prison, and lauded into government, and we have those same ex-terrorists (complete with 'amnesty' letters for their past crimes) demanding that ex-soldiers be dragged into courts over incidents that they never wanted to be part of in the first place. If a young squaddie, made the wrong decision, in a split-second assessment, in an environment that he was never trained to be in, then our government must stand beside them. Not throw them to the wolves of political correctness.
I said I was a moderate unionist...I will remain moderate, but it's becoming ever more difficult to do so. Airbrushing the truth only presses the moderates in society towards less moderate views, and that will not help any of us.
Irrespective of the motivations, if you joined PIRA (or the UDA / UVF for that matter), you set yourself on a course that was about murder and carnage. You chose that pathway, knowing full well the outcome. And knowing that it might bring you into direct conflict with the "forces of the state" and that you might come off second best. The RUC, UDR and Army were doing an altogether different thing...defending the ordinary people of NI (and GB), being the thin line between normality and anarchy. They had their bad eggs, as will any organisation. But for the vast majority, they never stepped out in the morning intending to carry out acts of violence. They put their own lives on the line to defend against violence.
As a (moderate) unionist living in NI, I am seeing daily the "respect" that the republican movement is affording those of us who wish to remain in the Union. They are playing a game...and they play it well. It involves covering their own sins by justifying "the conflict", assigning blame to the entire NI population ("we were all part of the problem"...well I wasn't...I never set out to disadvantage anyone because of their religion or political views, let alone do them harm, and the majority were like me), and actively campaigning against any vestiges of UK heritage that we have remaining.
So now, we have children's play parks named after PIRA murderers, we have convicted terrorists released early from prison, and lauded into government, and we have those same ex-terrorists (complete with 'amnesty' letters for their past crimes) demanding that ex-soldiers be dragged into courts over incidents that they never wanted to be part of in the first place. If a young squaddie, made the wrong decision, in a split-second assessment, in an environment that he was never trained to be in, then our government must stand beside them. Not throw them to the wolves of political correctness.
I said I was a moderate unionist...I will remain moderate, but it's becoming ever more difficult to do so. Airbrushing the truth only presses the moderates in society towards less moderate views, and that will not help any of us.
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Without wishing to introduce facts into this discussion I would suggest that PPruNers investigate a little closer. Please see here:Victims' commissioner says PM's facts 'incorrect' - BBC News
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I've not seen any Serviceman's victims families having the terrorists' responsible, being investigated in this new tranche of revenge investigation. Funny that!
This fantasy set of new investigations needs to end, or cancel the Good Friday Agreement forthwith!
This fantasy set of new investigations needs to end, or cancel the Good Friday Agreement forthwith!
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