Typhoon crash in Italy
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Try here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-LOC
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A couple of questions if I may?
Does Typhoon not have an automated protection system to prevent G-LOC induced issues?
When its said that Typhoon can 'bite' what does that mean-isn't it almost impossible to depart from controlled flight due to the automation in the Flight control system?
Does Typhoon not have an automated protection system to prevent G-LOC induced issues?
When its said that Typhoon can 'bite' what does that mean-isn't it almost impossible to depart from controlled flight due to the automation in the Flight control system?
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Awful tragedy indeed.... Saw several videos yesterday, and stills popping up in the media...
This one is the most haunting of them all - full reheat microseconds from the point of impact with the sea?
This one is the most haunting of them all - full reheat microseconds from the point of impact with the sea?
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Eurofighter pilot attempting loop-the-loop in front of his parents and girlfriend dies after crashing into sea - The Telegraph
https://apple.news/AYuaHNzgRRR2BBL-9kvT_uw
Very sad
https://apple.news/AYuaHNzgRRR2BBL-9kvT_uw
Very sad
He also had a Pitts Special that he did exhibition flying in on weekends. He went into a reverse half Cuban-8 maneuver and came over the top WAY too low. He had briefed with his boss to come over the top at 3500', but on this one he did it at 1500', way too low to recover. Due to rigging, the aircraft limited him to +4 G. He might have survived the crash, but hit a cinderblock garage and a large tree.
After a squabble over who would investigate (the Air Force owned the aircraft, but it was a civil flight on leaseback to McDonnell-Douglas from the Air Force) and so eventually the NTSB took over the investigation. I was fascinated with how such a massively experienced pilot could screw this up, so bought the NTSB report. Fascinating reading, not even a hint of a real explanation. (Crutchfield was a Navy top gun graduate, Navy test pilot, and then McDonnell-Douglas test pilot.)
A very haunting picture, Hunter. GASP! Burner cooking and a late pull to show the crowd how low you could recover/not recover. A long vertical leg prolly in burner before the pull. I don't like it.
@Treble and others, RE: Gee-loc
The Wiki entry is flawed. The deal has to do with blood to the brain. No fresh blood, lala land.
We did not see a lot of complete loss of concsiousness before we had the jets that had high pitch rates and plenty of available gee.
The old deal was tunnel vision, then grey, then black. You could still hear, but that's it. The gee-loc we saw in the Viper was different. The victim went from "normal" to complete lights out in a few seconds.
I was there for one in back seat of a family model.
The medics found that the onset rate of the gee was a significant factor, and not total gee. If you clenched up from neck to chest to gut just a second or two before yanking, then you did not go to lala land. Been there many times and most were as an IP and the stoopid nugget would yank when I wasn't expecting it. I never blacked out, but I was used to stoopid moves by the nuggets and could clench my neck quickly to trap blood in the brain.
@Treble and others, RE: Gee-loc
The Wiki entry is flawed. The deal has to do with blood to the brain. No fresh blood, lala land.
We did not see a lot of complete loss of concsiousness before we had the jets that had high pitch rates and plenty of available gee.
The old deal was tunnel vision, then grey, then black. You could still hear, but that's it. The gee-loc we saw in the Viper was different. The victim went from "normal" to complete lights out in a few seconds.
I was there for one in back seat of a family model.
The medics found that the onset rate of the gee was a significant factor, and not total gee. If you clenched up from neck to chest to gut just a second or two before yanking, then you did not go to lala land. Been there many times and most were as an IP and the stoopid nugget would yank when I wasn't expecting it. I never blacked out, but I was used to stoopid moves by the nuggets and could clench my neck quickly to trap blood in the brain.
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TO, to answer your questions;
1. Although there are several systems including GPWS, Auto slow speed recovery (anti-departure) and a disorientaion recovery facilty (think auto-UP recovery), only the latter two are linked to the Flight Controls. In short, there is nothing to monitor or counter the effects of g-loc ala F16. Likewise, ASLR/DRF don’t use GPWS to prevent the jet flying into the ground when ‘she’ is in control.
2. Despite being a high performance jet, mishandling will still result in CFIT. In this particular case, nose low at high speed would quickly see the g-limit being the limiting factor not alpha. The acceleration of the jet in reheat, aided further by ‘gods g’, will only see the turn radius increase despite being at maximum g.
In short, if fighting single circle with terra firma, then fly at min radius speed; a speed much less than that assessed in this event.
1. Although there are several systems including GPWS, Auto slow speed recovery (anti-departure) and a disorientaion recovery facilty (think auto-UP recovery), only the latter two are linked to the Flight Controls. In short, there is nothing to monitor or counter the effects of g-loc ala F16. Likewise, ASLR/DRF don’t use GPWS to prevent the jet flying into the ground when ‘she’ is in control.
2. Despite being a high performance jet, mishandling will still result in CFIT. In this particular case, nose low at high speed would quickly see the g-limit being the limiting factor not alpha. The acceleration of the jet in reheat, aided further by ‘gods g’, will only see the turn radius increase despite being at maximum g.
In short, if fighting single circle with terra firma, then fly at min radius speed; a speed much less than that assessed in this event.
Pilots are in the military to fly fighter planes and bombers in war. People get killed in war, also pilots.
Train as you fight and fight as you train. Every military since the Dawn of Time has had Training deaths.
What do you mean why do they do it?
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Oh boy, that reminds me of the F-18 crash in Bethalto, IL by Jeffrey Crutchfield in June 1996.
...I was fascinated with how such a massively experienced pilot could screw this up, so bought the NTSB report. Fascinating reading, not even a hint of a real explanation. (Crutchfield was a Navy top gun graduate, Navy test pilot, and then McDonnell-Douglas test pilot.)
...I was fascinated with how such a massively experienced pilot could screw this up, so bought the NTSB report. Fascinating reading, not even a hint of a real explanation. (Crutchfield was a Navy top gun graduate, Navy test pilot, and then McDonnell-Douglas test pilot.)
https://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.a...96FA211&akey=1
Lot of thrust in the Typhoon.
Haven't flown in the real thing - but did fly the sim at Farnborough.
"A touch faster," says the Chief Test Pilot.
Barely nudged the throttles, I swear.
Grey haired, disapproving look.
"Well done. You've just smashed every window in the South East."
Haven't flown in the real thing - but did fly the sim at Farnborough.
"A touch faster," says the Chief Test Pilot.
Barely nudged the throttles, I swear.
Grey haired, disapproving look.
"Well done. You've just smashed every window in the South East."
It wasn't a combat manoeuvre. We all know that a roll and pull through results in high speed and uses a lot of sky.
TO, to answer your questions;
1. Although there are several systems including GPWS, Auto slow speed recovery (anti-departure) and a disorientaion recovery facilty (think auto-UP recovery), only the latter two are linked to the Flight Controls. In short, there is nothing to monitor or counter the effects of g-loc ala F16. Likewise, ASLR/DRF don’t use GPWS to prevent the jet flying into the ground when ‘she’ is in control.
2. Despite being a high performance jet, mishandling will still result in CFIT. In this particular case, nose low at high speed would quickly see the g-limit being the limiting factor not alpha. The acceleration of the jet in reheat, aided further by ‘gods g’, will only see the turn radius increase despite being at maximum g.
In short, if fighting single circle with terra firma, then fly at min radius speed; a speed much less than that assessed in this event.
1. Although there are several systems including GPWS, Auto slow speed recovery (anti-departure) and a disorientaion recovery facilty (think auto-UP recovery), only the latter two are linked to the Flight Controls. In short, there is nothing to monitor or counter the effects of g-loc ala F16. Likewise, ASLR/DRF don’t use GPWS to prevent the jet flying into the ground when ‘she’ is in control.
2. Despite being a high performance jet, mishandling will still result in CFIT. In this particular case, nose low at high speed would quickly see the g-limit being the limiting factor not alpha. The acceleration of the jet in reheat, aided further by ‘gods g’, will only see the turn radius increase despite being at maximum g.
In short, if fighting single circle with terra firma, then fly at min radius speed; a speed much less than that assessed in this event.
Thank you AUTHENTICATE for taking the time to answer.
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What do you mean why do they do it?
How does an experienced and presumably talented pilot feel compelled to show how good he is in such display scenarios?