Pilot from CVN77 who shot down the Syrian SU-22
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I do find it amusing Ken that folks so often forget that an airfield can be "lost" due to politics, and often limitations with the number and type of aircraft that can be on deck in certain nations. We have to play this game constantly even now, even in countries with fairly open basing rights.
Beside the Philippines, there used to be basing rights, or even essentially US bases, in places like Libya, France, Morroco, Viet Nam, Thailand etc. operating under the graces of the host nation. Others may recall the challenges of operating in places Turkey, certain Stans, Allied Force limitations, Equador, recent Iraq, etc. And it's not just a US thing- our UK friends may recall a few places that used to be under the crown that the UK military routinely operated from, but have been "lost".
I can think of few countries that would allow such a diverse and heavy contingent as we see in Kandahar- and as I recall Afghanistan didn't get much say in the initial vote.
Beside the Philippines, there used to be basing rights, or even essentially US bases, in places like Libya, France, Morroco, Viet Nam, Thailand etc. operating under the graces of the host nation. Others may recall the challenges of operating in places Turkey, certain Stans, Allied Force limitations, Equador, recent Iraq, etc. And it's not just a US thing- our UK friends may recall a few places that used to be under the crown that the UK military routinely operated from, but have been "lost".
I can think of few countries that would allow such a diverse and heavy contingent as we see in Kandahar- and as I recall Afghanistan didn't get much say in the initial vote.
Nope.
Mount Aquino. The volcano was a coincidence. The Philippine government had been making moves for some years to disinvite the US once Marcos was gone. President Aquino was in charge when the formal process was agreed and began.
Mount Aquino. The volcano was a coincidence. The Philippine government had been making moves for some years to disinvite the US once Marcos was gone. President Aquino was in charge when the formal process was agreed and began.
I do find it amusing Ken that folks so often forget that an airfield can be "lost" due to politics
I can't speak for other nations/aircraft, but the RAF roulement was 4 months for the Tornado. It was my experience from 20 years of ops in the desert that the USAF kept their people out there longer, much longer.
I agree, Kandahar would not be much use if the war was in the Far East.
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Make no mistake, we need bases like Kandahar and they are a tremendous resource. Just don't use the "efficiency" and the "hardness" of bases like Kandahar to justify getting rid of "inefficient" and "soft" carriers. That's just foolish.
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Oh my. I wrote:
Essentially every US land airbase in Vietnam was "taken out" with the stroke of a pen in 1973. The same thing happened to all the US airbases in the Phillipines in 1991.
Please read what I wrote, not what you imagine/wish I wrote. And by the way, those are but two examples among many.
And finally, we did not lose those Vietnam airbases because we "lost" the war. We "lost" those airbases because we signed a peace treaty with North Vietnam. Google "Paris Peace Accords". That peace treaty ended the war. It is true that North Vietnam subsequently abrogated that treaty and successfully invaded South Vietnam. So if anything, that "second" war was "lost" because the US had "lost" all those airbases with a previous stroke of a pen and not the other way around as you claim.
Essentially every US land airbase in Vietnam was "taken out" with the stroke of a pen in 1973. The same thing happened to all the US airbases in the Phillipines in 1991.
Please read what I wrote, not what you imagine/wish I wrote. And by the way, those are but two examples among many.
And finally, we did not lose those Vietnam airbases because we "lost" the war. We "lost" those airbases because we signed a peace treaty with North Vietnam. Google "Paris Peace Accords". That peace treaty ended the war. It is true that North Vietnam subsequently abrogated that treaty and successfully invaded South Vietnam. So if anything, that "second" war was "lost" because the US had "lost" all those airbases with a previous stroke of a pen and not the other way around as you claim.
When I t’were a lad, we’d win t’war before it started, lick flight deck clean wi t'tongues before breakfast, spend 70 years in t’military before we could join up and fly, take off before t’runway were built, drop bombs bigger than whar aircraft, get home arter tea and before medals and light webber first time to barbeque reconstituted meat in rain. Tell that t’servicemen of today and they jest wor’nt believe ya!
... shot down a Syrian Su-22 “Fitter”. The Soviet-era aircraft had been bombing US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces ...
So when war is over will all these people be welcomed into the US ?
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Yeah, but we really had it tough ...
Yeah, but we really had it tough ...
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Here's an excellent Tyler Rogoway article with details on the shootdown from LCDR Tremel and the other crewmembers from a panel discussion at the infamous Tailhook Association convention:
Here's The Definitive Account Of The Syrian Su-22 Shoot Down From The Pilots Themselves - The Drive
Video of the panel presentation here:
https://livestream.com/wab/tailhook2...deos/162478715
Here's The Definitive Account Of The Syrian Su-22 Shoot Down From The Pilots Themselves
We finally get the whole story straight from the Super Hornet and Hornet pilots who were there.
By Tyler Rogoway
September 14, 2017
The Tailhook Association's annual symposium wrapped up on Sunday and the event featured a special panel this year—the quartet of Hornet and Super Hornet pilots who were involved in the mission that resulted in the shooting down of a Syrian Su-22 Fitter. Their detailed account of the historic mission provides by far the most concise and thorough picture of not just the engagement itself, but what came before it and after. It also offers some unique insights into the complex air war over Syria.
Below is a summary and some of the takeaways based on the combined accounts of not just Lt. Cmdr. Michael "Mob" Tremel who shot down the Syrian Fitter, but also of his wingman from VFA-87 "Golden Warriors" and two pilots who flew a section of F/A-18Cs belonging to VFA-37 "Bulls" who were in the air alongside them during the mission.
We finally get the whole story straight from the Super Hornet and Hornet pilots who were there.
By Tyler Rogoway
September 14, 2017
The Tailhook Association's annual symposium wrapped up on Sunday and the event featured a special panel this year—the quartet of Hornet and Super Hornet pilots who were involved in the mission that resulted in the shooting down of a Syrian Su-22 Fitter. Their detailed account of the historic mission provides by far the most concise and thorough picture of not just the engagement itself, but what came before it and after. It also offers some unique insights into the complex air war over Syria.
Below is a summary and some of the takeaways based on the combined accounts of not just Lt. Cmdr. Michael "Mob" Tremel who shot down the Syrian Fitter, but also of his wingman from VFA-87 "Golden Warriors" and two pilots who flew a section of F/A-18Cs belonging to VFA-37 "Bulls" who were in the air alongside them during the mission.
Video of the panel presentation here:
https://livestream.com/wab/tailhook2...deos/162478715
Good links. Seems to dismiss the earlier talk that the AIM-9X was spoofed with flares.
Ohh, the Oceana Air show is on this weekend (16-17 September) in my neck of the woods. I wonder if "302" will be on prominent display in the static park. I'll keep my eyes open.
Ohh, the Oceana Air show is on this weekend (16-17 September) in my neck of the woods. I wonder if "302" will be on prominent display in the static park. I'll keep my eyes open.
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