Trumps Bars Transgender From Military
If the traitor Bradley Manning is a typical example of transexual personnel in the US military, then Trump and his top brass have made the right decision.
Their trainset, their rules.
Their trainset, their rules.
Not that any non-TG person has ever done anything like that, no sir.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...e_Soviet_Union
By the way, is America great again yet?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...e_Soviet_Union
By the way, is America great again yet?
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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If the traitor Bradley Manning is a typical example of transexual personnel in the US military, then Trump and his top brass have made the right decision.
"After President Trump’s surprise announcement Wednesday barring transgender people from serving “in any capacity“ in the military, one prominent transgender airman said he’s more determined than ever to continue serving in the Air Force.
“I would like to see them try to kick me out of my military,” Staff Sgt. Logan Ireland said in an interview with Air Force Times. “You are not going to deny me my right to serve my country when I am fully qualified and able and willing to give my life.”.......
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There's a societal payback to the GI bill, to the same degree the same cannot be said of taxpayers paying for an elective surgery.
To be accepted, don't expect more than what the rest of us get.
There's a societal payback to the GI bill, to the same degree the same cannot be said of taxpayers paying for an elective surgery.
To be accepted, don't expect more than what the rest of us get.
I remember the "old" days in the Army where Women served in non-combat roles and to the most part remained segregated from their male counterparts. I am also old enough to remember the ending of segregation by Race. In my time in the Army, merely being a Homosexual would get you bounced.
Times change, and often the US Military leads the way in those social issues.
It was the leader in de-segregation....because as a Military Organization it follows Orders given it by the Commander in Chief, in our case the President.
Every change in social issues the Military has taken, has had effects upon Unit Cohesion, Good Order and Discipline, general effectiveness of the unit, and financial cost. That is not debatable as it is a fact.
Also, overtime the Military has found a way to carry out its mission and in general has overcome those negative effects of social change but it takes time.
The Military is made up of individuals who come together to form well disciplined, organized, and effective Units with defined goals, missions, and standards.
There was resistance to de-segregation, acceptance of Gays and Lesbians, differing Religions, and in time this Transgender thing will be worked out.
In each change....Blacks were found to be just as able and effective Soldiers as Whites, Women were found to be capable, Gays and Lesbians too have found their place in the Military as is right and proper. So will the Transgendered of our country.
Trump's action is not going to stop that....it might very well act as a catalyst to hurry this along even if it is not his motive in doing what he has.
What we do need to see happen is our Military get back to what it exists for....protecting this Nation, preparing for Wars, and being a close knit organization where wearing the Uniform is a respected thing to do and is seen by all of our Citizens to be an honorable duty.
Change is never easy when it comes to social i issues but I have no doubt the Military will lead the way even though at times there is much difficulty in doing so.
What we cannot allow is for the Military to prevented from accomplishing its duties because of improperly administered change. Our Troops spend far too much time in non-Mission training and far too little time in preparing for their actual mission.
The US Army went from picking up cigarette butts on Police Call to having to sit through hours upon hours of "training" on social issues.
SecDef Mattis has gone on record about that problem.
It will be very interesting over the next few weeks and months to see how Trump's decision will be received by the Military itself. What will be more telling is how they implement that Decision once it is formally handed down to them to carry out.
Times change, and often the US Military leads the way in those social issues.
It was the leader in de-segregation....because as a Military Organization it follows Orders given it by the Commander in Chief, in our case the President.
Every change in social issues the Military has taken, has had effects upon Unit Cohesion, Good Order and Discipline, general effectiveness of the unit, and financial cost. That is not debatable as it is a fact.
Also, overtime the Military has found a way to carry out its mission and in general has overcome those negative effects of social change but it takes time.
The Military is made up of individuals who come together to form well disciplined, organized, and effective Units with defined goals, missions, and standards.
There was resistance to de-segregation, acceptance of Gays and Lesbians, differing Religions, and in time this Transgender thing will be worked out.
In each change....Blacks were found to be just as able and effective Soldiers as Whites, Women were found to be capable, Gays and Lesbians too have found their place in the Military as is right and proper. So will the Transgendered of our country.
Trump's action is not going to stop that....it might very well act as a catalyst to hurry this along even if it is not his motive in doing what he has.
What we do need to see happen is our Military get back to what it exists for....protecting this Nation, preparing for Wars, and being a close knit organization where wearing the Uniform is a respected thing to do and is seen by all of our Citizens to be an honorable duty.
Change is never easy when it comes to social i issues but I have no doubt the Military will lead the way even though at times there is much difficulty in doing so.
What we cannot allow is for the Military to prevented from accomplishing its duties because of improperly administered change. Our Troops spend far too much time in non-Mission training and far too little time in preparing for their actual mission.
The US Army went from picking up cigarette butts on Police Call to having to sit through hours upon hours of "training" on social issues.
SecDef Mattis has gone on record about that problem.
It will be very interesting over the next few weeks and months to see how Trump's decision will be received by the Military itself. What will be more telling is how they implement that Decision once it is formally handed down to them to carry out.
The costs of surgery can be significant, but not all choose to do the final surgeries. We in the US military all had required training on the new Obama administration policy, how the transition would be done, and when the transition would be declared complete, and that we were to treat all with dignity and respect. A complex process with medical, psychology, the member and the commands involved. The "costs" can also include not being able to deploy while in transition, numerous medical screenings, and an imprecise transition period (up to 2 years I recall). The member could stop the process at any time. And yes the military was going to pay for everything.
If we are dedicated to genuine gender equality ....why do we not require Women to register for the Draft as we do of their Male Counterparts?
If we are going to have a double standard there....why should we not allow a double standard in other aspects of this?
Another issue to be considered....how does a Transgendered person fit into the definitions of those who must register for the Draft.....as Females do not?
Just as the Charlotte North Carolina City Aldermen decided...if one Self Identifies as a Female....he can use Female only facilities like restrooms, locker rooms, and showers.
Does that work for the Draft Registration?
http://www.transequality.org/issues/...sgender-people
If we are going to have a double standard there....why should we not allow a double standard in other aspects of this?
Another issue to be considered....how does a Transgendered person fit into the definitions of those who must register for the Draft.....as Females do not?
Just as the Charlotte North Carolina City Aldermen decided...if one Self Identifies as a Female....he can use Female only facilities like restrooms, locker rooms, and showers.
Does that work for the Draft Registration?
http://www.transequality.org/issues/...sgender-people
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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Washington Post: Growing GOP backlash to transgender troop ban underscores Trump’s political miscalculation
Overheard at the Pentagon: "We're taking orders via Twitter now?"
The real impetus behind Trump’s snap announcement, via Politico’s Rachael Bade and Josh Dawsey:
“House Republicans were planning to pass a spending bill stacked with his campaign promises, including money to build his border wall with Mexico. But … insiders feared they might not have the votes to pass the legislation because defense hawks wanted a ban on Pentagon-funded sex reassignment operations — something GOP leaders wouldn’t give them. They turned to Trump, who didn’t hesitate. … (But) House Republicans were never debating expelling all transgender troops from the military.
‘This is like someone told the White House to light a candle on the table and the WH set the whole table on fire,’ a senior House Republican aide said in an email. ....…
Overheard at the Pentagon: "We're taking orders via Twitter now?"
The real impetus behind Trump’s snap announcement, via Politico’s Rachael Bade and Josh Dawsey:
“House Republicans were planning to pass a spending bill stacked with his campaign promises, including money to build his border wall with Mexico. But … insiders feared they might not have the votes to pass the legislation because defense hawks wanted a ban on Pentagon-funded sex reassignment operations — something GOP leaders wouldn’t give them. They turned to Trump, who didn’t hesitate. … (But) House Republicans were never debating expelling all transgender troops from the military.
‘This is like someone told the White House to light a candle on the table and the WH set the whole table on fire,’ a senior House Republican aide said in an email. ....…
I would like to see them try to kick me out of my military,” Staff Sgt. Logan Ireland said in an interview with Air Force Times. “You are not going to deny me my right to serve my country when I am fully qualified and able and willing to give my life.”.......
1. You don't have a right to serve. (But I am glad you are serving)
2. My military? No. Our military.
Sergeant, you've got an attitude problem called "it's all about me" that is correctable with a little leadership and counselling from a senior NCO. You won't be the first nor the last service member with that problem. Solution is rather simple.
You should report to the First Sergeant to get aligned with the reality of the needs of the service. Once you've done that, I'll make the following wager: if you're a good troop and a good NCO, First Sergeant will have your back for the duration of your time in service. (And your chain of command likewise).
What sounding off like this is called is "getting outside of your lane" and is the Michael New syndrome all over again.
Overheard at the Pentagon: "We're taking orders via Twitter now?"
I WAS going to politely enquire whether Staff Sgt. Ireland started off as a man or a woman but perhaps not 
I'm sure he'd have presented a formidable sight five hundred years ago charging with sword, spear or pike in hand.
I'm sure he'd have presented a formidable sight five hundred years ago charging with sword, spear or pike in hand.
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Lone Wolf 50, since they don’t have like buttons, that I thought was a spot on post.
Staff was plenty gung ho, which was great, just a tad me my, as pointed out by LW. to get some rather expe
Does sound a bit as though it is possible ’some' join the military to get some rather expensive medical treatment done by the Government
Staff was plenty gung ho, which was great, just a tad me my, as pointed out by LW. to get some rather expe
Does sound a bit as though it is possible ’some' join the military to get some rather expensive medical treatment done by the Government
The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Dunsford, issued a written statement today saying there shall be no change in DOD Policy re Transgendered Service Members until official guidance is received from Senior Authorities. He reiterated all US Military personnel would be continue to be treated with respect and within existing guidelines.
Seems clear enough to me.....that Tweets are not yet considered Official Policy Guidance which should be plain to even a dull third grader.
Seems clear enough to me.....that Tweets are not yet considered Official Policy Guidance which should be plain to even a dull third grader.
Below the Glidepath - not correcting
White House: Trump's tweets are 'official statements' - CNNPolitics.com
...dull third graders indeed.
Washington (CNN)White House press secretary Sean Spicer said Tuesday President Donald Trump's tweets are indeed official statements.
"The President is the President of the United States, so they're considered official statements by the President of the United States," Spicer said, when asked during his daily briefing how they should be characterized.
"The President is the President of the United States, so they're considered official statements by the President of the United States," Spicer said, when asked during his daily briefing how they should be characterized.
Yes like I said....The Chairman issued a written statement....how much more official do you require on the matter?
You are at risk of losing your junior high graduation certification if you use CNN as a source.
You are at risk of losing your junior high graduation certification if you use CNN as a source.
White House: Trump's tweets are 'official statements' - CNNPolitics.com
...dull third graders indeed.
...dull third graders indeed.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...on-us-military
See my post 2!
Just another Trump twit that will be ignored and forgotten when in a couple of days he twits something even more bigoted and foolish. The US President is laughing stock outside of US.
Yesterday some journalist asked the Commander of US Pacific Fleet whether he would nuke China if told to do so by Trump - a rhetorical and unfairly loaded question - but clearly intended to probe whether US military consider their CiC sane.
See my post 2!
Just another Trump twit that will be ignored and forgotten when in a couple of days he twits something even more bigoted and foolish. The US President is laughing stock outside of US.
Yesterday some journalist asked the Commander of US Pacific Fleet whether he would nuke China if told to do so by Trump - a rhetorical and unfairly loaded question - but clearly intended to probe whether US military consider their CiC sane.
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