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Old 23rd Sep 2017, 23:12
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...there is no easy way to show the people of the North what they are missing, and certainly no way (at the moment) to establish a freedom movement...

Sure there is- drop via cruise missiles a few million iphones or equiv with linked comm to an overhead satelite to give access to the rest of the world. Cost would be trivial compasred to the alternatives.
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Old 23rd Sep 2017, 23:52
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Japan braces as North Korea threatens hydrogen bomb test in Pacific

Japan must brace itself for the possible launch of a nuclear-armed North Korean missile over its territory if the regime carries out a threat to test a hydrogen bomb in the Pacific Ocean, Japan’s defence minister has warned. Itsunori Onodera said such a test could involve a nuclear device mounted on a medium-range or intercontinental ballistic missile. “We cannot deny the possibility it may fly over our country,” Onodera said, hours after the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-un, said Donald Trump would “pay dearly” for threatening to destroy his regime.

The prospect of a major escalation in tensions in the region rose after North Korea’s foreign minister, Ri Yong-ho, said Pyongyang could respond to Trump’s recent threat of military action by testing a powerful nuclear weapon in the Pacific. Ri, who is due to address the UN general assembly at the weekend, told reporters in New York: “It could be the most powerful detonation of an H-bomb in the Pacific. We have no idea about what actions could be taken as it will be ordered by leader Kim Jong-un.”

Earlier, in an unprecedented personal statement, Kim said that he was considering retaliating at the “highest level” after Trump warned that the US would “totally destroy North Korea” if Washington was forced to defend itself or its allies. Earlier this month, North Korea detonated a powerful hydrogen bomb at its Punggye-ri nuclear test site in the north-east of the country. The explosion caused a 6.3 magnitude earthquake that was felt over the Chinese border in Yanji.

Testing a nuclear device beyond its own borders would mark a major escalation in tensions over the regime’s ballistic missile and nuclear weapons programmes. Analysts said a nuclear test involving a missile could be “truly terrifying” if something goes wrong. An atmospheric nuclear test of the kind that has only ever been conducted by the US and China could pose a risk to aircraft and shipping, even if the North declares a keep-out zone, according to Vipin Narang, a nuclear strategy expert at Massachusetts Institute of Technology. “And if the test doesn’t go according to plan, you could have population at risk, too,” Narang added. “We are talking about putting a live nuclear warhead on a missile that has been tested only a handful of times. It is truly terrifying if something goes wrong.”

Speculation is growing that North Korea will add to its robust verbal response to Trump’s UN speech on Tuesday with a military provocation, possibly a test of a Hwasong-14 missile, which is theoretically capable of reaching Hawaii and Alaska. Chung Sung-yoon, an analyst at the Korea Institute for National Unification, said there was a “very high possibility” that Kim would follow through with a provocation of some sort.............

In a statement carried by the official KCNA news agency, Kim called Trump “mentally deranged” and warned him that he would “pay dearly for issuing threats to the regime during his maiden UN general assembly speech on Tuesday......

The North Korea leader is thought to be the first of three generations of the Kim dynasty to publicly read out a statement aimed at the international community in his own name. South Korea’s unification ministry said neither Kim’s father, Kim Jong-il, nor his grandfather - and North Korean founder - Kim Il-sung, had issued a similar statement.

Kim said Trump’s remarks had convinced him “that the path I chose is correct and that it is the one I have to follow to the last”. He added that he was “thinking hard” about his response, but vowed that Trump would “pay dearly for his speech calling for totally destroying” North Korea. “Action is the best option in treating the dotard, who, hard of hearing, is uttering only what he wants to say,” he said. “Now that Trump has denied the existence of and insulted me and my country in front of the eyes of the world and made the most ferocious declaration of a war in history that he would destroy [North Korea], we will consider with seriousness exercising of a corresponding, highest level of hard-line countermeasure in history.”

His lengthy criticism of Trump ended: “I will surely and definitely tame the mentally deranged US dotard with fire.”.......
Who is to say for a test he would use a missile, take it out on a ship and launch a tethered balloon bomb attached, which was used on some of the UKs Grapple tests IIRC.
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Old 24th Sep 2017, 00:24
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Maybe that's why they say possible launch.
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Old 24th Sep 2017, 09:00
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take it out on a ship and launch a tethered balloon bomb attached
It would never work. It would get run into by an American destroyer.
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 16:17
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BBC reporting that PRC are enforcing closure of all commercial links with DPRK within 120 days. If this actually is actioned, it would indicate some sense at last from PRC. Going on the previous actions of DPRK leadership though, it might mean they will lash-out soon!

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Old 10th Oct 2017, 19:04
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Flight Global - ANALYSIS: Fire and fury, the next Korean air war

and coincidentally on BBC News:-

North Korea 'hackers steal US-South Korea war plans'
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Old 10th Oct 2017, 20:09
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Of course they did, and they've been trying to get at them for some years in all likelihood. What's a bit of a puzzle is why the US/SK's are foolish enough to store them in that form after the Manning and Snowden follies. Goodness gracious, was that not enough of a clue? (And not even mentioning Equifax ...)
Dear Generals in the US for the past 10 years: did you hear that noise? That was "a clue" trying to beat down the door with a battle axe. (Further comments censored)
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Old 10th Oct 2017, 22:20
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Plans?.......I spit on your plans

?No Battle Plan Survives Contact With the Enemy?

T'was ever thus..............
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Old 10th Oct 2017, 23:50
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Occam's Razor.
Cock-up, or conspiracy?
I know which I'd favour.
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Old 11th Oct 2017, 00:03
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Sure there is- drop via cruise missiles a few million iphones or equiv with linked comm to an overhead satellite to give access to the rest of the world. Cost would be trivial compared to the alternatives.

Way, way to sensible, but you are correct.
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Old 11th Oct 2017, 07:55
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S korea has been doing that for yearts - but they shoot anyone found in possession....................
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Old 11th Oct 2017, 09:19
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If there were computers and internet in 1944 the Germans would have hacked all the plans for the invasion of Calais.
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If there were computers and internet in 1944 the Germans would have hacked all the plans for the invasion of Calais.
And yet it was Turing who cracked Enigma!
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Old 12th Oct 2017, 08:07
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A point made by all the serious writers is that knowing exactly what the other guys are up to is no use if you can't do anything to interfere with their plans. Being able to track u-boats only became a war winner once we had carriers , frigates and lr strike to hit them
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This story is of possible interest to those looking at the North Korean missile program.
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Old 12th Oct 2017, 19:36
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Is it time to send Hans Blix to North Korea? Maybe to deliver a very angry letter?
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Its what happens when Blix comes back like Otto Warmbier?

Or what happened to Iraq when Saddam decided not to co-operate with the inspectors. Baghdad having agreed to conditions then deceived, obstructed, and threatened international inspectors sent to dismantle and verify the destruction of its banned programs for the next eight years.

North Korea would seem to have been reluctant to co-operate in any way for rather longer.
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/dprkchron
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 10:13
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"Its what happens when Blix comes back"

The point was that Blix was of course correct - there were no weapons of mass destruction

We have spent zillions, killed millions, and wrecked a whole region because it didn't suit Bush and Bliar to believe him........
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 02:16
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Worth watching to hear some voices of ordinary North Koreans. Short and simple.
What's it like to live in North Korea? - BBC News
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Old 11th Dec 2017, 17:13
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Has Fan 6 banned from every port in world

North Korea: ?Hao Fan 6? ship banned by UN, then disappears

Could it be smuggling high tech banned stuff to the North or worse carrying something developed in a lab from there perhaps?

No surprises if various MPA are shadowing it when within range ?

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