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Old 10th Mar 2017, 13:49
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Not totally related, but an ex-F-104 driver once told me about the time when one airframe had got a bit bent by a student applying a bootfull of rudder at too high a speed. The high tech solution was to take it up to the same speed again and boot the rudder in the opposite direction. Hey presto, one straight F-104...

I'm not sure how they wrote that up in the tech log.
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[QUOTE][Not totally related, but an ex-F-104 driver once told me about the time when one airframe had got a bit bent by a student applying a bootfull of rudder at too high a speed. The high tech solution was to take it up to the same speed again and boot the rudder in the opposite direction. Hey presto, one straight F-104...

I'm not sure how they wrote that up in the tech log. /QUOTE]

As simply as you put it, I imagine!?

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Old 10th Mar 2017, 15:30
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As simply as you put it, I imagine!?
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Now show me an F-104 flying backwards (intentionally).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6UxS4dAZfs
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Old 10th Mar 2017, 17:31
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Fuse 13

Beagle/Wander00 et al.


My recollection is that the accident where the fin came off was due to rolling in the vertical with g still applied rather than intentional use of rudder.
That said Boscombe did issue a clearance certainly in '77 for a 'twinkle' with fuse 13 removed and the limits were:
1.360 degrees roll max
2.MIN 330 kt (to limit aoa therefore sideslip?) (I'm a bit hazy on the exact speed)
3. 1g


How many other jets do you know with a min speed for application of full aileron?
It looked pretty good but needed a bit of spacing as the jet moved about 10 ft right and 10ft down.
Hope this helps
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Old 10th Mar 2017, 17:41
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Originally Posted by Two's in
Now show me an F-104 flying backwards (intentionally).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6UxS4dAZfs
Why? I dont see any purpose in flying backwards. Besides, the thread is about aileron roll and no helo can do that.

Only time a helo looks cool to a FJ pilot is when it hovers above him trying to hoist him out of the north sea....... so I've heard..
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Old 15th Mar 2017, 13:36
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An F-35B can motor backwards at 30 knots in STOVL Mode 4 but anyhoo here is the A-4K KAHU Demo Pilot motoring skyward vertically rolling for all his might spouting those bright thingos at the end of display video below. IF bored start at: 3minutes 15seconds

https://youtu.be/GqFTC5Cj5xE?t=195



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