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Old 26th Dec 2016, 21:12
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They weren't wearing proper bomb disposal protective clothing.

Just as well the fuzes lacked 'Vorsprung Durch Technik'
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Old 26th Dec 2016, 21:15
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Another good pic Vzlet. Yes, it does look in good shape! But hey, that is an explosive detonator that contains unstable picric crystals and would kill you if it went off! Crazy guys.

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Very good point but, I guess, when they'd unscrewed them, they guessed they weren't suddenly going to go.
Personally, I'd have gently disposed of them ASAP.

Hope the Christmas celebration with their families was enhanced by their bravery.
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Old 27th Dec 2016, 09:36
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Reminds me of the episode of Auf Wiedersehen Pet when they find an unexploded bomb on the building site.

Oz (proudly) "That's a British bomb!"

Herr Ulrich "Yes, it did not go off."
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Old 27th Dec 2016, 14:07
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I wonder if our "three musketeers" would care to write a short account of just how they accomplished this very dangerous piece of handy work? Again, well done!
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They weren't wearing proper bomb disposal protective clothing.
One doubts you would be able to find the street, let alone the team if it went off, so rather a pointless exercise in donning it.
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Old 27th Dec 2016, 15:13
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I think the little caricature at the end of Basil's post explained that.
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Old 27th Dec 2016, 15:22
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Well dine to a group of very brave men. Lost in admiration
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Old 27th Dec 2016, 15:32
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I wonder what the evacuation area would have been for a bigger bomb, the 8000 or 12000?

As an aside, I read a translation of a German intelligence report. They correctly named the 12,000 lb bomb but did differential between the HC bomb and the Tallboy.

They said it could be dropped from low level, 50 feet or more or high level at 20,000.
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I wonder if our "three musketeers" would care to write a short account of just how they accomplished this very dangerous piece of handy work?
I am interested as well clunck. The secrets of bomb disposal can be hot property. However, in this type of case, I presume that the knowledge is unclass. I do wonder though, whether they use some method of disabling these fuzes or, if they rely upon the effects of time to degrade the function? It would seem to me to be pure folly to disturb a viable fuze unless it was disabled, which is what I expect they actually did before removing them from the bomb. Brave men!

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Old 27th Dec 2016, 16:21
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Purely as an aside, I notice that fuze appears to be the preferred spelling on here, whereas I would use fuse myself. I have seen an old buttons where fusiliers was spelt fuzileers, but that was from about 1780. Has the 'z' spelling come back?
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Old 27th Dec 2016, 17:24
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Early in the "Blitz" (September 1940) a large German UXB was found close to the foundations of St.Paul's Cathedral. A Bomb Disposal team led by Lieutenant Robert Davies (RE) dug down, found it, dug it out and took it away in a truck for disposal (it does not seem to have been de-fused !!).

At the time, my Civil Service "Line Manager" had been a Sopwith Camel pilot as a Captain in the RFC. His comment at the time: "I'd give that. bloke a whole bucketful of VCs !" (Same applies to these three lads, IMHO).

Later, Davies was awarded the George Cross for it. (Wiki has the story: Google "Robert Davies (GC)").

Two months later, I volunteered for aircrew duties in the RAFVR (but I'd already made up my mind to do that anyway).

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TTN, wouldn't know, but for what it's worth as an RE when wearing the Combat Engineer hat and playing with bang I always used the spelling Fuze. But when wearing the Electrician RE hat I always used the spelling Fuse to describe a device used to prevent bangs!

Either way, the team that did that job certainly had some gonads. Wonder if we could claim on the warranty and get a refund from the fuze manufacturer as they didn't work as described back in 1944?
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Old 27th Dec 2016, 18:10
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Going back to the fuse (or fuze), didn't this bomb have three? Were fuses particularly unreliable at that time or was it a "design feature". I have read that some fuses were deliberately set on a time delay to hamper clear-up operations. If that's the case here, this one worked especially well!
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Old 27th Dec 2016, 18:14
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One German bomb had an anti-tamper device which activated as the pistol was unscrewed. The RAF bomb disposal man calculated that if you could unscrew and extract the pistol faster than the pistol could activate the fuse . . .

Accordingly he loosened the pistol and then fastened a drive belt from his motorcycle to the pistol. The bike drive was engaged and the pistol flew out - so I was told
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Old 27th Dec 2016, 18:53
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TTN, yes you would be quite correct to use "fuse" for domestic electrical protection devices. However, explosive-train detonators and similar weapon initiators are generally termed "fuzes". Blame the Romans!

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Old 27th Dec 2016, 18:53
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TTN, wouldn't know, but for what it's worth as an RE when wearing the Combat Engineer hat and playing with bang I always used the spelling Fuze. But when wearing the Electrician RE hat I always used the spelling Fuse to describe a device used to prevent bangs!
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Distinction noted ... I shall try to remember that!
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Old 27th Dec 2016, 21:08
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I seem to recall that all old 1950s RAF manuals used fuze as the spelling.
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Old 27th Dec 2016, 21:47
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Well it's been an education. I'll stick to changing fuses and leave fuzes to those who know what they are doing!
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Old 27th Dec 2016, 21:55
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In his book 'Braver Men Walk Away', Peter Gurney -- who was Head of the Explosives Section of the Met's Anti-Terrorist Branch until retirement in 1991 -- refers to 'fuzes' throughout.
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Old 28th Dec 2016, 01:54
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I seem to recall that even after the fuze is removed, 70 year old high explosive has a bad habit of becoming somewhat unstable.
So was removing the bomb from the site an issue? And what do they do after that - take it to a remote location and blow it up?
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