Public Interest Lawyers/Phil Shiner
Mach 2 - thanks for that. Where is Michael Fallon in all of this? Nobody is asking any awkward questions at all and these enquiries by an ambulance chasing fraudster have ruined Servicemen's lives for 10 years. "Covenant" - what a farce.
Can we please not generalise about "civil servants"?
I and many others were proud to serve the Crown as civilians, many of us in less-than-ideal posts ......... "mobile" civil servants were posted, and the choice was to take it or leave. We helped to win the Cold War in our little ways.
The scientific civil service was [and probably still is] a million miles from self-serving sick-note chair polishers, and a fair few served MoD simply because we had been rejected for the armed services.
I and my family spent 15 years of our lives overseas, with the churn and upheavals associated with military life.
Most of us who served the RAF were the good guys [and girls in later years].
Please be more targetted with the smears.
I and many others were proud to serve the Crown as civilians, many of us in less-than-ideal posts ......... "mobile" civil servants were posted, and the choice was to take it or leave. We helped to win the Cold War in our little ways.
The scientific civil service was [and probably still is] a million miles from self-serving sick-note chair polishers, and a fair few served MoD simply because we had been rejected for the armed services.
I and my family spent 15 years of our lives overseas, with the churn and upheavals associated with military life.
Most of us who served the RAF were the good guys [and girls in later years].
Please be more targetted with the smears.
LB & Boss,
You are right, I did generalise a bit too much in my last comment and have met many good hardworking civil servants. My father was one. My musings are focussed on 5 and 6 floor MOD when I served there. I well recall being told "What you are saying is military judgement, and military judgement counts for nothing".
You are right, I did generalise a bit too much in my last comment and have met many good hardworking civil servants. My father was one. My musings are focussed on 5 and 6 floor MOD when I served there. I well recall being told "What you are saying is military judgement, and military judgement counts for nothing".
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Yes, seconded, lb...not only that but some of the invective aimed at civil servants could accurately be used on certain members of the uniformed services comfortably ensconced behind desks, miles from harms way.
Not before some made a fair few quid out of it...and not just the lawyers
The couple and their army of retired police officers taking £5m a year from taxpayers to pursue British soldiers around the globe
The couple and their army of retired police officers taking £5m a year from taxpayers to pursue British soldiers around the globe
As if there was any doubt about the man's (lack of) integrity:
Disgraced Iraq lawyer Phil Shiner hid houses and even his guitars in bid to avoid paying £7m debts
Disgraced Iraq lawyer Phil Shiner hid houses and even his guitars in bid to avoid paying £7m debts
Aaaah Haaa Shiner... karma is a bit*h!!
I hope he ends up living on the streets or something a bit worse!
No doubt Pr00ne will be along in a bit to say how we could be sued for being nasty
I hope he ends up living on the streets or something a bit worse!
No doubt Pr00ne will be along in a bit to say how we could be sued for being nasty
Meanwhile a Major is about to go through the mill for the eighth time. Any self respecting PM would do an Action This Day.
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Damn and here was me hoping he had been raped in some HMP shower and was finally getting the opportunity to take a shafting instead of doling one out to ex and serving servicemen.
It really pisses me off all these witch hunts that serve no purpose but to put serving personnel in a situation of second guessing their actions when that split second can cost their lives.
It really pisses me off all these witch hunts that serve no purpose but to put serving personnel in a situation of second guessing their actions when that split second can cost their lives.
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Training Risky and Big GreenGilbert,
Never fear, I am here! Just waiting to be mentioned 3 times before I appear...
Sorry to disappoint and not to feed your prejudiced agenda, but why on earth would I stand up for the arse wipe that is P Shiner? Some here seem to forget that besides being a Barrister I was also a mil pilot (eons ago!) so the down fall of the likes of that git leave me only happy that justice has been seen to prevail and he deserves all he gets. Unlike some here though I will not wish him physical harm as that is illegal, and hypocritical of any law abiding individual.
LangleyBaston and cynicalint,
May be there is a REASON why that particular issue keeps cropping up, like the evidence?
Any self respecting PM would wish to see justice served and not merely pardon someone because they happen to be a Major.
All this tosh about the law chasing service personnel seems based on the instant decision taking in the heat of armed combat. Well I can assure you that that IS taken into account and consideration, and that the majority of the cases where prosecution has been successful were NOT in the heat of battle nor were they instant decisions. They were often coldly premeditated and prepared with the accused clearly stating their intent and in many cases being recorded by them or colleagues in situations where the victims were chained or other wise restrained.
Our service personnel are of the highest calibre and they need to maintain the very highest standards of behaviour to separate "US" from "THEM."
A mistake is a mistake, and is treated as such. Cold blooded murder is just that, as is torture and systematic abuse. They have no place in the armed forces of the UK, and those on this board who advocate such torture or killing are not worthy to be seen in the company of, or mentioned in the same breath as our forces.
Never fear, I am here! Just waiting to be mentioned 3 times before I appear...
Sorry to disappoint and not to feed your prejudiced agenda, but why on earth would I stand up for the arse wipe that is P Shiner? Some here seem to forget that besides being a Barrister I was also a mil pilot (eons ago!) so the down fall of the likes of that git leave me only happy that justice has been seen to prevail and he deserves all he gets. Unlike some here though I will not wish him physical harm as that is illegal, and hypocritical of any law abiding individual.
LangleyBaston and cynicalint,
May be there is a REASON why that particular issue keeps cropping up, like the evidence?
Any self respecting PM would wish to see justice served and not merely pardon someone because they happen to be a Major.
All this tosh about the law chasing service personnel seems based on the instant decision taking in the heat of armed combat. Well I can assure you that that IS taken into account and consideration, and that the majority of the cases where prosecution has been successful were NOT in the heat of battle nor were they instant decisions. They were often coldly premeditated and prepared with the accused clearly stating their intent and in many cases being recorded by them or colleagues in situations where the victims were chained or other wise restrained.
Our service personnel are of the highest calibre and they need to maintain the very highest standards of behaviour to separate "US" from "THEM."
A mistake is a mistake, and is treated as such. Cold blooded murder is just that, as is torture and systematic abuse. They have no place in the armed forces of the UK, and those on this board who advocate such torture or killing are not worthy to be seen in the company of, or mentioned in the same breath as our forces.
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May be there is a REASON why that particular issue keeps cropping up, like the evidence?
Any self respecting PM would wish to see justice served and not merely pardon someone because they happen to be a Major.
One would hope that in the quest for justice one of the previous eight inquiries/ investigations might have found a case to answer, or not.
As for justice, "justice delayed is justice denied".
As for a pardon, that is claptrap. The Major has not been found guilty so can not be pardoned.
Back in your box time.
May be there is a REASON why that particular issue keeps cropping up, like the evidence?
Any self respecting PM would wish to see justice served and not merely pardon someone because they happen to be a Major.
One would hope that in the quest for justice one of the previous eight inquiries/ investigations might have found a case to answer, or not.
As for justice, "justice delayed is justice denied".
As for a pardon, that is claptrap. The Major has not been found guilty so can not be pardoned.
Back in your box time.
Langleybaston,
So what did you mean?
Back in your box? Arrogant old man.
So what did you mean?
Back in your box? Arrogant old man.
Gentlemen please, name your seconds then stand back to back, march 10 paces then turn and throw handbags, he who hits first wins.
Seems strange for a legal professional to take that stance.
I didn't actually mean pardon, I meant more 'quosh the case' or something similar, am very well aware that the guy has not been convicted.
Pr00ne,
just as well then, that you are not now in a profession where accurate use of vocabulary is important. "Quosh" versus Pardon.
When the double jeopardy law was dropped in 2005, an 800 year old law which prevented being prosecuted twice for the same offence, the intent was to allow one more trial only if new and compelling evidence is produced. Not the eight attempts now being made against a major who has been cleared on each occasion.
Perhaps your use of the word "quosh" may have been deliberate as that is defined in the urban dictionary as "When something goes crazy,or is rabid, and attacks you". I would imagine that is exactly what the major feels is happening to him.
I would prefer the PM to quash any further investigations.
just as well then, that you are not now in a profession where accurate use of vocabulary is important. "Quosh" versus Pardon.
When the double jeopardy law was dropped in 2005, an 800 year old law which prevented being prosecuted twice for the same offence, the intent was to allow one more trial only if new and compelling evidence is produced. Not the eight attempts now being made against a major who has been cleared on each occasion.
Perhaps your use of the word "quosh" may have been deliberate as that is defined in the urban dictionary as "When something goes crazy,or is rabid, and attacks you". I would imagine that is exactly what the major feels is happening to him.
I would prefer the PM to quash any further investigations.