Russian fleet sailing in to the North sea
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Understood, my comment was made after midnight so not particularly lucid.
I prefer to "get to know" my "potential" enemies and if this should be through social interaction then lets understand it for what it is. While we all share common bonds of the sea and the sky, the world is too dangerous a place for this to be conducted in a flag bedecked hangar unless the attendees are very carefully "selected".
As for invasion, well by the time it gets to that we are all toast together, anyway the Bear and our Eastern "friends" already own large swathes of European countries so they are well on their way to "owning" us.
After this I fully expect to be consigned to the 20th Century dinosaur museum so I will be sure to look the part.
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Understood, my comment was made after midnight so not particularly lucid.
I prefer to "get to know" my "potential" enemies and if this should be through social interaction then lets understand it for what it is. While we all share common bonds of the sea and the sky, the world is too dangerous a place for this to be conducted in a flag bedecked hangar unless the attendees are very carefully "selected".
As for invasion, well by the time it gets to that we are all toast together, anyway the Bear and our Eastern "friends" already own large swathes of European countries so they are well on their way to "owning" us.
After this I fully expect to be consigned to the 20th Century dinosaur museum so I will be sure to look the part.
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The Swedes sent out a SIGINT/ELINT Gulfstream IV as the Kuznetsov Task Group was in the North Sea.
Flight track at following link.
https://twitter.com/gerrydogma/statu...18765603733504
Flight track at following link.
https://twitter.com/gerrydogma/statu...18765603733504
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The RAF also keeping tabs on the fleet, a C-130J and a Tornado GR4 have flown by today. Another P-8 in the vicinity again.
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Doesn't seen that long ago (but it is, and then it isn't) I talked to a couple of old boys who were DEMS gunners. Well up there in WW2's most dangerous jobs ever devised (in fact it is or was). On the convoys of course. God we lost some good lads on those routes helping our then allies. And now its all changed again. They'd wasted their time, the 2 DEMS gunners.
I find this new anti Russian sentiment expressed in the British press utter bolluaeux. Allies/enemies/allies/enemies every 20 years is just plain confusing and very tiring and very dispiriting and very unclever really. We need a better way than this.
This new cold war is very managed by people not with our interests at their hearts - hope we all remember that.
I find this new anti Russian sentiment expressed in the British press utter bolluaeux. Allies/enemies/allies/enemies every 20 years is just plain confusing and very tiring and very dispiriting and very unclever really. We need a better way than this.
This new cold war is very managed by people not with our interests at their hearts - hope we all remember that.
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I was hoping the Kuznetsov was going to launch a few sorties of the unannounced kind - this would be in keeping with the recent TU 95 and 160 activity. But I guess they have bigger fish to fry elsewhere. It would be a bit embarrassing if everything was "D" state by the time they reached the Med, and there is always Cyprus to buzz - should be well in range of S400 cover.
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Hangarshuffle,
Absolutely agree. And it works both way: WTF should I confront my dozens of friends in US, UK, hundreds in continental Europe just because the current regime decided to consider them as enemies?
Absolutely agree. And it works both way: WTF should I confront my dozens of friends in US, UK, hundreds in continental Europe just because the current regime decided to consider them as enemies?
US Navy P-8 out of Rota likely tracking the Kuznetsov Group.
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Originally Posted by Out of trim
The RAF also keeping tabs on the fleet, a C-130J.....
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Why not use a C-130J? We don't have an MPA until the P-8s get delivered.
Maybe the Herc was just transiting the area. We didn't need to search for them; seeing as we had two RN vessels shadowing the Russian Flotilla.
Maybe the Herc was just transiting the area. We didn't need to search for them; seeing as we had two RN vessels shadowing the Russian Flotilla.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
OOT, we were once tasked to track two Bear en route an RN TG. All we needed to do was position ourselves to intercept. Only snag was we had no idea where the RN was. The Russians did but the RN wouldn't tell us
Interestingly, just stayed in a hotel near Morlaix airport in N Brittany. Several Russians staying and only hotel I have ever stayed I where all notices were in French, English......and Russian
We didn't need to search for them; seeing as we had two RN vessels shadowing the Russian Flotilla.
receeguy: Using a C-130 for maritime patrol ! they are down to the level of the South African Air Force .....
Maybe they can call down to the C-130 guys in Argentina and ask them how they mounted the mk.82 dumb bombs on the wing pylon.....
I find this new anti Russian sentiment expressed in the British press utter bolluaeux.
Now, anti-Putin sentiment? That's an entirely different matter.
Someone please tell me that NATO actually has a political gameplan for how to treat this floating deployment and the problems it might cause or suffer? How about having a strategy for the refuel/provisioning issue? Is the, "individual members decide", a satisfactory stance for NATO?
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Someone please tell me that NATO actually has a political gameplan for how to treat this floating deployment and the problems it might cause or suffer? How about having a strategy for the refuel/provisioning issue? Is the, "individual members decide", a satisfactory stance for NATO?
